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Post by n0spam4me on Jul 6, 2008 10:01:21 GMT -5
A!
WHY did the worlds greatest military power
FAIL to defend even its own HQ?
WE THE PEOPLE pay the taxes that fund this
DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
and so we have a right to ask questions as to WHY then failed to do their job!
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Post by Mink on Jul 6, 2008 13:44:57 GMT -5
n0spam4me, welcome to the forum!
I suppose you have contacted the govt. with this question?
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Post by n0spam4me on Jul 6, 2008 16:04:59 GMT -5
matter of fact....
Yes I have asked my Congresspeople
and they could not give an answer.
I've been told that there are not 'nuff
votes in Congress to start up another investigation.
the first one will have to do.
however, the first taxpayer funded "investigation" is a FARCE!
so where does that leave WE THE PEOPLE?
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Post by The New Guy on Jul 6, 2008 16:16:01 GMT -5
perfect! just what we need, another conspiracy loon. ;D welcome aboard nospam, i mean that in the nicest way. just so you know, it helps to have thick skin around here.  |
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Post by n0spam4me on Jul 6, 2008 17:19:07 GMT -5
Alright, "conspiracy loon" indeed?!?!?!
Have you read the "official" 9/11 report
Your tax dollars paid for it....
Do you understand that for more than half an hour AFTER the second hit to the WTC
the alleged FLT77 aircraft flew off course and without transponder signal and headed for this natons CAPITAL and the worlds greatest military power did exactly WHAT?
You tax dollars at work, a DEFENSE DEPARTMENT that FAILS to defend even its own HQ!
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Post by crossride on Jul 6, 2008 20:20:05 GMT -5
Do you understand that for more than half an hour AFTER the second hit to the WTC the alleged FLT77 aircraft flew off course and without transponder signal and headed for this natons CAPITAL and the worlds greatest military power did exactly WHAT? You tax dollars at work, a DEFENSE DEPARTMENT that FAILS to defend even its own HQ! . Okay spam, let's say you are accurate in fact. What should have been done? You see, its one thing to critisize, its another thing to have an alternative. |
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Post by n0spam4me on Jul 6, 2008 20:37:01 GMT -5
For one thing, the Commander in Chief should have moved from the Class room where he was for at least two very good reasons
#1 in the case of an attack, the Comander in Chief is a TARGET.
#2 He should have been doing his JOB as Commander in Chief by going to the presidential limo that is equiped with communications gear such that he would be able to communicate directly with NORAD and Andrews Air Base and issue orders.
Also, according to the "official" report on the subject, there where aircraft dispached from Otis to fly to NYC, now the flying time in an F15 or F16 between NYC and DC is about 10 min, if those aircraft where anywhere within range, and considering the FACT that it was an attack situation, these aircraft could have flown supersonic and been redirected to fly patrol over this nations CAPITAL, and don't give me bogus crap about there being DRILLS going on that morning. as a VETERAN I know that emergency situations superceed drills, that is the news that "AMERICA is under attack" would trump ALL of the drill activity and people would be on the REAL situation at hand. That is if somebody hadn't F*ed with the system! Prime suspect Richard Cheney. The fact that it is not recorded in the "official" 9/11 report, testimony from Air Traffic Controllers who where willing to provide relivent INFORMATION and where excluded from the hearings, that alone is VERY suspicious!
The lame excuse offered in that the "official" 9/11 report states that Andrews Air Base didn't happen to have anything that could fly on short notice... WHAT? is that ment to imply that there was NO aircraft at all to defend this nations CAPITAL?
if that is indeed the case, then WHY did Donald Rumsfeld still have a job on 9/12/2001?
This whole thing is so wrong!
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Post by Mink on Jul 6, 2008 23:06:58 GMT -5
n0spam4me, I suppose that "we the people" were in shock at the time of 9/11, which is why no one questioned anything.
However now that hindsight is 20/20, there should be no one stopping until they get to the truth of the matter, regardless of if the Democrats don't have the numbers.
I do think this administration keeps everything hidden so even if they came with the truth now......I would wonder how much they are not telling. BTW, thank you for speaking up!!
I'm going to assume this thread will move shortly to "Politics"....FYI~
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Post by The New Guy on Jul 7, 2008 0:47:09 GMT -5
For one thing, the Commander in Chief should have moved from the Class room where he was for at least two very good reasons #1 in the case of an attack, the Comander in Chief is a TARGET. #2 He should have been doing his JOB as Commander in Chief by going to the presidential limo that is equiped with communications gear such that he would be able to communicate directly with NORAD and Andrews Air Base and issue orders. isn't it fun to be an armchair general? you make all the right decisions and no one is as smart as you! what you fail to realize is while the president was sitting in that classroom no one knew there was an attack. the first word the prez got was that a small commuter plane crashed into the towe. this is indeed tragic but not considered an attack. as time allows he contacts the white house and speaks to condi rice who informs him that it turned out to be a commercial aircraft. again, tragic but not necessarily an attack. perhaps you, from your armchair would have been able to know immediately that is was indeed an attack and you would have been able to scramble superman and wonder woman in her invisible jet to save the day. the distance between otis ANGB and the pentagon is 400 miles (as the crow or F-16 flies). an aircraft would need to be travelling in excess of mach 3.5 (about 2400 mph) to make that trip in 10 minutes. F-15's and 16's are capable of less than mach 2.5 and only in short bursts. langley AFB would have been a better choice to call in fighters at only 130 miles away but then again who (besides d*ck cheney, i guess) would have known that the pentagon or anything else for that matter was a "target?" fighters were scrambled out of otis ANGB within minutes of notification of a hijacked plane, not an "attack" plane. since the transponder was turned off on flight 11 controllers had to search the skies for the plane. the fighter pilots did not have a vector in which to intercept the hijacked plane. again, i'm sure you and wonder woman could have found the plane in a jiffy, though. while i appreciate your VETERAN status, i think your knowledge of all things military seems to be lacking. you'll find also that you're not the only VETERAN around this forum. the air defense sytem was designed to defend against outside threats from enemy fighters, bombers, missiles, etc., not threats from within on commercial aircraft loaded with US citizens. imagine yourself having to make a decision to shoot down a plane full of civilians. could you do it? so, you see conspiracy is always trumped by facts around here. that's something you'll need to get used to. next you'll be telling us that steel doesn't melt. the best solution to 9/11 was to prevent it from happening in the first place. billy boy clinton was too chicken sh*t to stand up to terrorists after a NUMBER of attacks on the US and US interest around the globe. cutting intelligence and ignoring intelligence is what clinton did to bring on 9/11. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Jul 7, 2008 0:51:34 GMT -5
What next... the WTC towers were imploded by agents of the Bush Administration?
I have read the report of the 9/11 Commission. It is both brilliant and deeply flawed. For instance, the placement of Clinton era deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick on the commission... when she was the architect of the policy which kept law enforcement, CIA and DIA from sharing intelligence in any meaningful way. Full cooperation and information sharing might have made a difference but for the "Chinese Wall" erected by Gorelick. She should have been a major witness, but was instead sitting on the commission.
A detailed read of the report would reveal that the record shows 3 F-16's were scrambled from Langely AFB in Northern Virginia, not Andrews AFB in Maryland, in response to an erroneous FAA warning that another flight originating in New England was in the hands of the bad guys, still in the air headed toward DC.
Based on the information that was available relative to the threat axis, those jets were vectored east over the Atlantic. They were ultimately turned around, on afterburner, and arrived over the nation's capitol at 10 AM local time, twenty three minutes after American Airlines Flight 77 had impacted the Pentagon. They were in process of being vectored on United Flight 93, which ultimately went down in Pennsylvania at 10:03.
While it is easy to attach one's thoughts to theories of massive conspiracy there are a couple of factors that the tinfoil hat brigade neglect to consider:
a) The seizure of several aircraft simultaneously was unprecedented. The FAA had no clue, for hours, who was actually in control of what aircraft. There was no coordinated plan to deal with such a circumstance.
b) The situation was also unprecedented for both NORAD and NEADS, the continental and local area air defense command and control orgs. There is the "fog of war" to contend with, and the information gauging their response was only as good as what the FAA could provide.
But rather than fix anything let's go ahead and cloud the issues with more conspiracy theory.
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Post by crossride on Jul 7, 2008 0:52:06 GMT -5
Mink: What exactly is "the Administration" hiding regarding the terrorist attacks of 9/11?
Spam: What would it matter if the President had been in his limo? He may be the Commander in Chief, but he would not be making any tactical decisions anyway. As you yourself said, he was not where the attacks were happening so he sure was safe.
What system is it Cheney f*#ed up? And how did he pull it off?
Mink Spam: If this administration is so inept, how is it that they can continue to secretly pull off some of the most amazing political acts of all time?
Secrets... In government? Right.
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Post by The New Guy on Jul 7, 2008 1:01:13 GMT -5
continuing to play devil's advocate here:
1. why WTC and the pentagon? why not the statue of liberty or disneyland or a thousand other possible targets that might have been easier to "pull off?"
2. why use commercial aircraft? why not just plant a truck bomb like WTC 1993? seems like that would be much easier for dick cheney to do rather than coordinate all these planes, right?
3. why kill so many people in order to "get us into war?" the japs only killed 2,000 or so in pearl harbor and that got us into the biggest war in history.
looks like katschung has returned and at least this time he speaks english and participates.
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