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Post by subdjoe on Apr 18, 2009 19:30:46 GMT -5
I'm sure we have all read about the lady attacked in Sebastopol, sounds like the same thug from Bennet Valley has moved a bit.
Here is a post from the PD forum:
Posted 18 April 2009 04:51 PM Hide Post
I am a female who was followed on 101 from San rafael all the way to Cotati. After work traffic; lots of cars on the road. The men never tried to get me to pull over, but they rode my bumper for close to 30 miles. Being that it was broad daylight and 100's of cars on the road, I did not feel like calling 911. When I got to the Cotati Police Dept., that is exactly what I was told I should have done.
The creeps knew I was on my phone. I made sure I held it up to the rearview mirror. The floowed me off the freeway and to the police station. I pulled in and they continued forward. I didn't get a license plate # as they were literally on my ass. I purposely tried to piss them off by pretending I had no idea I was being followed. I hope the joke was on them when I stopped at a police dept.
Sick, perverted men will try any tactic to get you to stop and get out of the car. Don't fall for it. Always drive with your doors locked. Never get out of the car. I won't carry a gun. But I do carry a hammer and a pointed ended screwdriver.
I REALLY don't understand that mindset. Mink, Saunterelle, you are both for victim disarmament, and criminal empowerment - can you please explain that mindset to me? Why not carry the most effective means of protection you can?
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Post by saunterelle on Apr 18, 2009 21:05:35 GMT -5
I am not for victim disarmament, I am for criminal disarmament. We need stricter gun laws, background checks, required trigger fingerprint sensors, and traceable bullets to ensure that guns can only be used by the people who are licensed to own them.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Apr 18, 2009 22:48:27 GMT -5
That story seems a bit fishy...
And, I personally don't want the AVERAGE citizen shooting people on the road thanks!
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Post by The New Guy on Apr 18, 2009 23:04:06 GMT -5
and i don't want criminals shooting the AVERAGE citizen on the road, thanks!
i would absolutely rather see the AVERAGE citizen shooting in defense of his life rather than being acosted, raped, beaten, murdered while waiting for the police to arrive.
criminals don't usually obtain their weapons legally nor do they OBEY the friggin' law!
i'm MORE than qualified to handle a firearm. why can't i carry one here in sonoma county? why santurelle? why JMO?
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Apr 18, 2009 23:13:22 GMT -5
TNG, I said AVERAGE citizen! Does that describe you?
There is no reason in this area why anyone should be a victim in their cars. We have cell phones, and a ton of others on the road with us. Maybe if we lived in Iowa...
Now, on the other hand if one is DUMB enough to travel in a bad neighborhood late at night...
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Post by subdjoe on Apr 19, 2009 2:00:45 GMT -5
JMO, the AVERAGE citizen is quite capable of safely handling and using firearms. Why do you assume that they aren't? Over half the populaiton of the US has ready access to firearms (figure 65,000,000 firearm owners [taking the low endof estimates], and they are in a 2.5 person household - so that is about 165000000 honest citizens who can grab a gun easily). There are well under 1000 accidental deaths/year. And well under 20k accidental injuries/year (CDC & DOJ figures). I will agree that one accidental death or injury BY ANY MENAS is one too many. But don't pick on gun owners. We are some of the safest people out there. And, DOJ, actually FBI, studies show that kids who learn to use firearms safely at an early age are much LESS prone to commit crimes than kids who never touch a firearm. (yes, there will be a few attrocities that you can dig up without thinking - but those are the abberations, not the norm)
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Post by subdjoe on Apr 19, 2009 10:19:55 GMT -5
TNG, I said AVERAGE citizen! Does that describe you? There is no reason in this area why anyone should be a victim in their cars. We have cell phones, and a ton of others on the road with us. Maybe if we lived in Iowa... Now, on the other hand if one is DUMB enough to travel in a bad neighborhood late at night... The more I thought about this the madder I got. You are saying that we abandon travel at night. Or only travel in well light city areas, and cede the rest of the county to the thugs. Why should the average, honest citizen have to be the one to cower in fear? Why do you insist that honest citizens be powerless? And Saunt, with his drooling over unproven, unworkable, and unavailable technolocial "solutions" and begging for the unconstitutional licensing before being allowed to exercise a civil right that is expressly protected by the US Constitution. Saunt, do you also want us to have to beg a license from the State to pray? Or to post here? Must we submit our words to some State burrocrat (sic) before we submit a letter to the editor? Can we hold a protest, or even a meeting without State approval? Actually, I would guess that you think all of those are good ideas too - that way no ideas contrary to the prevailing wisdom get loose and get people thinking. |
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Post by harpman1 on Apr 19, 2009 13:12:59 GMT -5
Carry your gun.
Keep it loaded.
Ignore all gun control laws.
Each of these laws is in direct violation of the Constitution, so they are profoundly to be ignored.
Let liberals become victims, as their prescriptions have never, and will never work at all.
Ignore the next crop of Obama gun laws as well.
History belongs to those who show up for it.
Be there to greet the next American Revolution, and be armed. Heavily armed.
Bye now, girls.
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Post by crossride on Apr 19, 2009 13:58:36 GMT -5
TNG, I said AVERAGE citizen! Does that describe you? There is no reason in this area why anyone should be a victim in their cars. We have cell phones, and a ton of others on the road with us. Maybe if we lived in Iowa... Now, on the other hand if one is DUMB enough to travel in a bad neighborhood late at night... JMO, bad areas are only bad areas because good people have abandoned them. Your attitude furthers that and too many thinking like you never turn an area around. Just so you know, very few crimes against people are well planned and executed. Most of these crimes can be avoided, even in your self described bad areas at night, by being alert to your surroundings, not letting anyone have an advantage over you, and not ignoring things that "just don't seem right", sometimes just by using common sense. And though a properly trained person carrying a gun is always a good defense measure, try carrying pepper spray in a way that you can quickly access it and use it if necessary. It can act as a deterrent and if you are fored to use it, you'll do no premanent harm to the bad guy, have time to get away, and also make it easier for him to be nabbed by the coppers as he lies on the ground writhing in pain! |
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Post by subdjoe on Apr 19, 2009 14:04:26 GMT -5
Carry your gun. Keep it loaded. Ignore all gun control laws. Each of these laws is in direct violation of the Constitution, so they are profoundly to be ignored. Let liberals become victims, as their prescriptions have never, and will never work at all. Ignore the next crop of Obama gun laws as well. History belongs to those who show up for it. Be there to greet the next American Revolution, and be armed. Heavily armed. Bye now, girls.
Do I want to exercise my civil rights, balanced against the chance that if caught doing so I may become a criminal barred from owning firearms? (yeah, I know that it is a misdemor and only restricts fo r10 years, but the way things are, that is likely to change to a liftime prohibition. ON the bright side, if I were to be legally barred from owning guns, the state can't nail me for failure to register them - that would violate my 5th amendment rights - and isnt THAT a kick in the head, criminals are exempt from registration requirements because the violate the rights of the criminal, but the state can violate teh 2nd amendment rights of honest citizens.) |
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Post by harpman1 on Apr 19, 2009 16:09:47 GMT -5
I will always refuse to act in fear of what some well-meaning communist may do to me.
We must all refuse to submit to onerous regulations that restrict our liberty.
Patrick Henry should ring in our ears.
Every day!
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Post by crossride on Apr 19, 2009 16:14:28 GMT -5
This all made me think of something about the laws, and especially how they are applied in Sonoma County. It's common practice to tack on as many violations of the law as you can on a bad guy, and the DA and courts typically just use the excess as leverage to get a plea bargain. Thusly when a repeat bad guy is caught committing a new crime with a gun, he'll likely never be punished for the fact that he used a gun. He'll cop a plea to the crime, or worse yet, to a simple violation of parole or probation and no new conviction at all.
However, if normally law abiding subdjoe is pinched with a concealed firearm, he'll probably have to face some punishment for his single offense, maybe a light punishment considering his clean record, but still. The fact is that ANY punishment for a law abiding citizen is bad. Repeat bad guys... well they can take about anything short of a state prison sentence, and some don't mind that. Check the paper when there's a story on the convictions of bad guys. How many times to you read about the deal that was made so the bad guy can avoid state prison.
This is all too common here, and the unintended result is that the more crimes you commit, the more crimes that will be simply ignored when it comes to punishment.
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