D.C. ignores USSC ruling

[subdjoe]

"The emergency legislation will allow handguns to be kept in the home if they are used only for self-defense and carry fewer than 12 rounds of ammunition.

Handguns, as well as other legal firearms such as rifles and shotguns, also must be kept unloaded and disassembled, or equipped with trigger locks — unless there is a "reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm" in the home."

and
"The bill that passed Tuesday maintains the city's unusual ban of machine guns, defined as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading, which applies to most semiautomatic firearms."



OK, so, an honest citizen is supposed to wait until they are in immediate danger to life and limb, THEN try to assemble a firearm or remove a trigger lock. "Oh, Mr. Thug, can you wait just a moment, I seem to be having trouble getting this trigger lock off. It will take me just a few seconds" "Oh, mr. robber, can you help me get the slide back on my pistol? I can't seem to get it to work right."

Talk about trying to get around the law and looking for loopholes. I'm pretty sure that the USSC ruling said that requiring trigger locks or having the firearm disassembled was a no no. All the politicians in the DC civic system should have to give up all police protection, their own firearms, their own armed guards, and be forced out of their gated communitites. AND wear signs saying "I am unarmed" and also to post signs on their doors and windows "No guns are in this house"

Then see how long it takes them to change their minds.


It also seems like most tube fed .22s are machine guns, so are many lever action rifles. Whooda thunk it! Heck, my 60 year old Mossberg bolt action .22 will take about 20 or 21 .22 shorts. I have never before heard of a bolt action machinegun. Must be worth some bucks. Do I need a Class III to own it?

Kind of like Chicago - one of the aldermen there 'forgot' to do the yearly registration on HIS firearms. So, rather than nail his hide to the wall as an example, why, he got the council and Mr. Mayor to pass a special bill allowing a short amnesty period for reregistering firearms if the owner had previously had them registered and accidntly let that lapse. Anyone else who tried something like that would have had the guns confiscated, and faced fines and/or jail time. Must be nice to be an Only One. Oh, and the guy who forgot to register his guns is one of the sponses of the ordinance that requires that the guns be reregistered every year. His excuse for not registering his? His secretary forgot to remind him. Can you say 'hypocracy?" I knew you could.

[bolverk]

More proof that there is not any intelligent life in Washington D.C., I exalt you.

[The Big Dog]

As I posted elsewhere, the D.C. Circuit opinion in Parker (which begat Heller, held that the disassembly and lock requirement was unreasonable, I think. And the SCOTUS opinion affirmed. The most quoted remark by the Chief Justice from oral argument was exactly on that point.

I soooooo wish that Heller's attorney would go back to the court and file a motion for contempt against the city and it's officials for this horsehockey bit of regulation.

[subdjoe]

I agree Big Dog. The pissant capons who revel in their petty authority need to be brought to heel. This is a clear attempt to violate the ruling of the USSC. You can bet that if the owner of a gun store acted in a similar fashion - attempting to work around an order from a court or other authority - he would be put out of business in a heartbeat.

I see also that the NV chapter of the ACLU is finally recognizing that there are 10 amendments to the US constitution, rather than 9 as the national ACLU does. Maybe all the others will follow.

[harpman1]

Deep breath fellows.

Even years after Brown v. Bd. of Ed. Democrats all over the South were enforcing regulations that were in clear violation of SCOTUS.

And passing new ones!

Today, challenges & clarifications are resolved much more quickly due to a more informed electorate. The New Media get more done faster by making these current Democrats accountable in ways 1960's CBS never could.

What is needed now is a huge national program aimed at arming millions of Americans that never considered it for themselves before, or never believed they could.

Reduce gang activity, visibility & violence?
Make the urban neighborhoods places to hang out on the front step & sip lemonade with your neighbors?
Open the widows on a hot day w/o worrying who will crawl through?
Send your 7th grade son & his pal to the park on the bus to spend all day?
All of these were realities in the great cities of America only 40 years ago. I was there & that's how we lived. That's how it was.

I have a suggestion.

[harpman1]

That's windows. Leave the widows out of this.

[harpman1]

Actually, we should train & arm the widows first. They need the protection.

[subdjoe]

www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=74036&catid=158

Seems like the capons can't resist. Maybe this will get them that contempt citation they so richly deserve.

WASHINGTON (WUSA) -- District residents can start registering their guns today. But at least one very high profile application was already rejected.

Dick Heller is the man who brought the lawsuit against the District's 32-year-old ban on handguns. He was among the first in line Thursday morning to apply for a handgun permit.

But when he tried to register his semi-automatic weapon, he says he was rejected. He says his gun has seven bullet clip. Heller says the City Council legislation allows weapons with fewer than eleven bullets in the clip. A spokesman for the DC Police says the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to their interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

Besides obtaining paperwork to buy new handguns, residents also can register firearms they've had illegally under a 180-day amnesty period.

Though residents will be allowed to begin applying for handgun permits, city officials have said the entire process could take weeks or months.

[subdjoe]

Jul 17, 2008 17:09:14 GMT -5 harpman1 said:

Actually, we should train & arm the widows first. They need the protection.

For the benefit of widows and orphans. Especailly the widows.<G>

Seriously, the points you have made seem to make no difference to the powerful and well financed anti-civil rights lobby that the socialists push. Facts don't seem to matter, only idology and creating an all powerful state.

[The Big Dog]

Jul 17, 2008 18:02:38 GMT -5 subdjoe said:

www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=74036&catid=158

Dick Heller is the man who brought the lawsuit against the District's 32-year-old ban on handguns. He was among the first in line Thursday morning to apply for a handgun permit.

But when he tried to register his semi-automatic weapon, he says he was rejected. He says his gun has seven bullet clip. Heller says the City Council legislation allows weapons with fewer than eleven bullets in the clip. A spokesman for the DC Police says the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to their interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

Thusly, all the proof that the inmates really do run the asylum that one would ever need. If they were going to screw with anyone you wouldn't think they would be stupid enough to make it the guy who beat them.

I hope Alan Gura's (Heller's lead counsel) first call was to the Office of the Chief Justice asking for an emergency motion hearing.

[The Big Dog]

Oh this gets even better.... the regulations for firearm registration in DC can be found here.

Under "General Requirements" we note that in "Prohibited Firearms" the fourth item listed is "semi-automatic handguns".

We find after that a page of "pre-requisites" including requirements to pass a written test and a vision test. Seems to me that somewhere a long time ago the SCOTUS ruled that one didn't have to pass a test to exercise the right to vote. So why should a written test be required to exercise the right to own a firearm?

Farther along, in section V, we note the Duties and Responsibilities of Registrant. Most interesting is paragraph 8 which dictates that no firearm shall be discharged in the District without first obtaining from the Chief of Police, in writing, a permit authorizing the discharge.

While that would be comical on face, it actually gets far worse on the next page which discusses revocation of registration.... which I didn't know was possible with an enumerated right either absent of some due process. The last condition of revocation is any violation of the duties and responsibilities in Item V.

So, by the letter of their law, if a resident discharges his firearm while defending his life or the lives of his family without first getting a permit from the Chief of Police, his registration will be revoked.

Was any of this what the majority of the court had in mind?

[subdjoe]

Someone needs to step up and make them apply similar restrictions to all the rights enumerated in the 1st Amendment.

And slap the entire DC city council, and anyone connected with this, with contempt of court.

I do agree, this needs an emergency ruling by the USSC. this is a bare faced attempt to circumvent the ruiling of the Court.