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Post by saunterelle on Jul 10, 2009 18:32:35 GMT -5
Ah, back to the "child killer" insults again for my defending a legal, and private, decision that a woman makes for herself and her own body. You claim to want to keep government out of people's lives, yet you want to relegate poor women to not have the option of a safe abortion while rich women (who can afford it) have them on a whim. You want to force people to have kids they don't want and then you refuse to provide care and financial assistance for them throughout their lives. Republicans like you make me sick with your hypocrisy.
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 10, 2009 18:32:45 GMT -5
In context, it is obvious what she meant. She was talking about not wanting an increase in children whose parents were not ready for a child (for whatever reason) and wanted to have an abortion but couldn't, due to financial or geographic restraints. When parents don't want a child, that child is not raised with the same love and care that a wanted child receives. Common sense. It is just like sleazy Republicans to twist the honorable Justice's words out of context. No, it is obvious that she, like other leftist bigots, doesn't want "those people" having children. Nothing even suggests the distortion you have put on her words. To be fair to Sanger, she did see abortion as something to be avoided. BUT her reason was far from humane. If you search her works you will find that she expressed that she wanted to see minority women die from complications to discourage 'undesireables' - you know, kikes, wops, niggers, bo-hunks, micks - from reproducing. Looks like things in the progressive camp havn't changed much. They still look on minorities as somewhat less than human. Undermenchen, one might say. |
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Post by capttankona on Jul 10, 2009 18:36:25 GMT -5
If all of American's orphens were being adopted and there was high demand for more, I would say you have a point. However, once again, reality doesn't support your opinion. Try again. I have already disproven this assertion here and on the PD Forums. There are over a million couples who wish to adopt New Born American Babies. Only to many are aborted, rather then put up for adoption. If you weren't a biased jack ass on the subject, you would know that. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Jul 10, 2009 19:27:42 GMT -5
Big Dog, it would have been better if you had posted the comment in context instead of cutting and pasting from your biased conservative news source.
Gee I knew it wouldn't take you too long to come in and try to spin this. A couple of points.... a) Fair use tends to limit the length of excerpts from copyrighted sources. Most sites I post at have a 100-150 word minimum. b) The CNS article I linked to has a transcript in it. c) The expectation would be that people go read the full article. d) Blow me. There is no way you can spin this that doesn't make Madame Justice Ginsburg's comments shocking. And remember... I'm the conservative who supports a woman's right to choose. Thank you and good night. |
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Post by The Avenger on Jul 10, 2009 23:52:51 GMT -5
In context, it is obvious what she meant. She was talking about not wanting an increase in children whose parents were not ready for a child (for whatever reason) and wanted to have an abortion but couldn't, due to financial or geographic restraints. When parents don't want a child, that child is not raised with the same love and care that a wanted child receives. Common sense. It is just like sleazy Republicans to twist the honorable Justice's words out of context. I'm beginning to believe you actually enjoy having your ass handed to you on a daily basis. So what you are saying is that it's not fair that a woman might have to drive to another town or even another state to have an abortion. Do you propose the government start providing a bus? Or taxi vouchers? Should there be a planned parenthood shop on every block to accomodate those mothers who want to slaughter their children but don't want to burn a few dollars worth of gas to do it? My wife likes to shop at the mall but there isn't one in our town. That's just not fair! The government should provide a free ride so that she can go to the mall when she wants. You believe that parents who are "not ready" (for whatever reason) should be able to kill of those pesky unborn kids? Well, why do they get to have all the fun? How about parents who have children then several years later decide that they "just weren't ready?" (for whatever reason) Shouldn't they be able to "off" their 3 or 4 or 10 year olds? Why not? |
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Post by saunterelle on Jul 11, 2009 2:11:51 GMT -5
You're pitching me softballs. Obviously an abortion that is performed in the first trimester is performed on a cluster of cells that cannot think, breath, feel pain, etc. It is medically proven. It is not a living, breathing, conscious human being. A 3, 4, or 10 year old on the other hand has life experience and can feel/know everything that is happening.
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Post by harpman1 on Jul 11, 2009 11:47:47 GMT -5
Your God is a fallible human scientist, to whom you grant the power to define life and death.
Your cluster of cells is a person as well.
The wanted and loved baby born w/massive brain damages that is 10 years old and cannot "feel/know everything that is happening"; are they subject to your tender mercies as well?
Careful about impersonating God. You may be called to account.
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Post by saunterelle on Jul 11, 2009 12:54:28 GMT -5
Your God is a fallible human scientist, to whom you grant the power to define life and death. Your cluster of cells is a person as well. The wanted and loved baby born w/massive brain damages that is 10 years old and cannot "feel/know everything that is happening"; are they subject to your tender mercies as well? Careful about impersonating God. You may be called to account. And your God is from a book, written by men, before the discipline of science even existed! Now who's the naive one? |
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Post by harpman1 on Jul 11, 2009 13:45:11 GMT -5
Interesting but childish that you believe in anything that doesn't involve judgement of your actions.
My God does not come from a book. He is the founder and creator of all there is, so science; books; you; are all of His design.
As I have said to you before; if you're right, I'm a fool. If I'm right, you're f**ked.
When men stop believing in God, they do not believe in nothing; they believe in anything.
Your God is in Africa, trying not to look too Muslim to the faithful.
Too late.
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Post by The Avenger on Jul 11, 2009 15:26:11 GMT -5
if you're right, I'm a fool. If I'm right, you're f**ked. Great line! I must remember that one. ;D All the baby killers believe the same thing - that a fetus is simply a cluster of cells and nothing more. Unless, they are talking about an animal such as a chicken. They will tell us all day long how eating eggs is cruel because it kills chickens but the same is not true for human fetuses. I can tell that Santruella does not have children (I wonder if he knows how to make them?) because he holds human life is such low regard. If he did have offspring I doubt that he could look into their eyes and say, "you were simply a cluster of cells to me and your mom (or me and your other dad?), dear little one." Even at only six weeks your "cluster of cells" has a beating heart. Have a look at this link and see what else your "cluster of cells" develops in the FIRST TRIMESTER: Click here |
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Post by Mink on Jul 11, 2009 21:12:53 GMT -5
Ah, back to the "child killer" insults again for my defending a legal, and private, decision that a woman makes for herself and her own body. You claim to want to keep government out of people's lives, yet you want to relegate poor women to not have the option of a safe abortion while rich women (who can afford it) have them on a whim. You want to force people to have kids they don't want and then you refuse to provide care and financial assistance for them throughout their lives. Republicans like you make me sick with your hypocrisy. Saunterelle, you nailed it! All the pro-lifer Republicans don't believe in abortion, yet they abhor the same families that need hand-outs when the children grow up. The very programs that help these families are the first to go when they are in office. Once born, they are labelled "lazy". |
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Post by The Avenger on Jul 11, 2009 23:17:58 GMT -5
Mrs. Mink. Congratulations! You have managed to marginalize yourself to the point that no one takes you seriously, save Santurella.
Your posts are practically meaningless. Rarely do they contain any fact or evidence to back up a claim. Typically, they are just a mess of juvenile blabber or a big wet kiss for Santurella.
Do you have any links to support your silly claim that republicans cut programs that help families? Or are you talking about the welfare reform signed by Billy Clinton?
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