I'm Mad As Hell, Where's Howard Beal When We Need

[ferrous]

As a Native Son of Sonoma County, A working taxpayer for over 40 years, a registered Democrat for 37 years (I'm now registered as Independent, I have never found myself out in the streets demonstrating for what I believe is best for this county. I have always felt that voting in every election was my patriotic duty and I can say I never missed an election no matter how trivial I might have thought some to be.

Now, for the first time in my adult life, I find myself wanting to hit the streets joining other like-minded adults in voicing concern for this latest Health Care Plan by the Obama Administration.

I have E-Mailed Rep Woolsey's office 3 times asking her for the date, time, and location for her town hall meeting on Health Care Reform in my area.

I have not received any response from her office of any kind.

Now I have learned from a third source that Rep. Woolsey does not plan on holding any such meeting. She has issued a written statement in the Press Democrat on how she supports the bill.

I am now asking for any information or plans to organized a demonstration at her local office. I plan to take off time from work to attend such a demonstration and will do what I can to solicit other people to attend.

I urge all that are concerned with what is happening to take what ever time to join in a demonstration of free speech and the right to peacfully assemble and petition our representative.

Let's bring Lynn Woolsey out from her hiding place and face the people she is suppose to represent.

[subdjoe]

Ferrous, I have posted several times that her office was one of the three that told me to stop wasting my time with calls and emails because she knows what is best for us and doens't want or need opposing views, her mind is made up. Typical Burton Machine Dem, in other words.

[The Big Dog]

Howard Beal died and was reincarnated as Glenn Beck.....

[Mink]

Ferrous, my rep, Mike Thompson had his townhall over the phone, an hour long and I do believe he and Lynn agree on this proposed bill.

From what little I gathered (due to interrruptions) from this was,
universal healthcare is:

* deficit neutral

* excludes illegals

Hope this helps........

[heckheckle]

"Deficit Neutral"? What dat mean? I must be really dumb. I can't seem to fit that in on anything. I suppose that means the deficit will neither go up, nor down. There could be a lot of finagling by the Health Industry. Make changes? Oh please don't ask me to look anything up.

Edit: What it means is, "They" will take away five hundred billion dollars from MediCare, and the people who need it most. From the Old, Sick, Children, and Disabled. The people who can't earn any more money. This is the money that would go to the uninsured who can't afford to buy any. WTH, I can't afford it either. Those Bassturds in Washington can Pour hundreds of billions of dollars into the pockets of Bankers, and Politicians and it comes out of the A ss of people who can least afford it. I won't vote for any of the Bassturds, or, Bassturdesses in office now.

Those Millions of uninsured now go to Free Clinics, or to Hospitals, which are also free to them.

We need someone like, "AL GORE FOR PRESIDENT." ;D

[subdjoe]

Aug 9, 2009 22:36:15 GMT -5 Mink said:

Ferrous, my rep, Mike Thompson had his townhall over the phone, an hour long and I do believe he and Lynn agree on this proposed bill.

From what little I gathered (due to interrruptions) from this was,
universal healthcare is:

* deficit neutral

* excludes illegals

Hope this helps........

And then you click your heels thre times and wake up. If they can't exclude illeagls now, how the heck can a brand new dinosaur of a burrocracy (sic) exclude them?

"Deficit neutral" - fancy way of saying that we won;t go in the hole anymore than we do now. And how will they do this? Well, have to gather more money. How does the govt. gather more money? T A X, T A X, T A X.

Mink, you have whined about govt. waste and inefficency. Why do you suddenly change and believe that they can run a massive health care plan efficently?

[The Big Dog]

Aug 10, 2009 9:57:35 GMT -5 subdjoe said:

Mink, you have whined about govt. waste and inefficency. Why do you suddenly change and believe that they can run a massive health care plan efficently?

Especially when no government that has tried it yet has managed to do so. The notion about learning from the past so that you don't repeat the mistakes apparently is lost on the modern, progressive, left.

[capttankona]

Aug 9, 2009 22:36:15 GMT -5 Mink said:

Ferrous, my rep, Mike Thompson had his townhall over the phone, an hour long and I do believe he and Lynn agree on this proposed bill.

From what little I gathered (due to interrruptions) from this was,
universal healthcare is:

* deficit neutral

* excludes illegals

Hope this helps........

Actually, the wording in the Bill that Woolsey supports, illegals are not excluded, specifically.

And, according to the CBO, it is not deficit neutral at all.

You should not buy into the campaign style rhetoric of Thompson, he is a liar, calling himself a bluedog is just a joke.

[Mink]

Aug 10, 2009 9:57:35 GMT -5 subdjoe said:

Aug 9, 2009 22:36:15 GMT -5 Mink said:

Ferrous, my rep, Mike Thompson had his townhall over the phone, an hour long and I do believe he and Lynn agree on this proposed bill.

From what little I gathered (due to interrruptions) from this was,
universal healthcare is:

* deficit neutral

* excludes illegals

Hope this helps........

And then you click your heels thre times and wake up. If they can't exclude illeagls now, how the heck can a brand new dinosaur of a burrocracy (sic) exclude them?

"Deficit neutral" - fancy way of saying that we won;t go in the hole anymore than we do now. And how will they do this? Well, have to gather more money. How does the govt. gather more money? T A X, T A X, T A X.

Mink, you have whined about govt. waste and inefficency. Why do you suddenly change and believe that they can run a massive health care plan efficently?

Subdjoe, I'm merely giving my feedback here......calm yourself.

I support a health plan because there are too many citizens without healthcare.

The fact that the bill excludes illegals is a step in the right direction......

Heckheckle, this is all I have to offer so no link or reference for me to guide you to


Capttankona, do you have a link?

[The Big Dog]

Aug 10, 2009 22:47:22 GMT -5 Mink said:

I support a health plan because there are too many citizens without healthcare.

And just how many are without healthcare?

The fact that the bill excludes illegals is a step in the right direction......

Really? Please show us where.

[Mink]

Big Dog:

"And just how many are without healthcare?

In a rush I found two links regarding uninsured Americans:

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/567737

Census Bureau: Number of U.S. Uninsured Rises to 47 Million Americans are Uninsured: Almost 5 Percent Increase Since 2005
Teddi Dineley Johnson
Published: 01/08/2008

For the sixth consecutive year, the number of Americans living without health insurance has risen, according to new U.S. Census Bureau data. Approximately 2.2 million people were added to the uninsurance rolls in 2006 — the largest one-year increase in the number of uninsured Americans since 2002.

Annual Census Bureau estimates released in August show 47 million people, or 15.8 percent of the U.S. population, were without health insurance during 2006 — a 4.9 percent increase. In 2005, census figures showed that 44.8 million people, or about 15.3 percent of the population, lacked health insurance coverage.

The number of uninsured Americans has increased 22 percent since 2000, at which time 38.4 million people lacked health insurance.

Fewer Americans had employer-based coverage in 2006, the new data show. The percentage of people covered by employer plans fell from 60.2 percent in 2005 to 59.7 percent in 2006, according to the report, "Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States."

Also of note, more children were without health insurance in 2006, the census data showed. The percentage of uninsured children younger than 18 rose from 10.9 percent in 2005 to 11.7 percent in 2006. According to the data, children ages 12–17 were more likely to be uninsured than children younger than age 12.

In response to the new data, dozens of health care organizations, including APHA, issued statements criticizing the nation's troubled health care system and urging Congress to reauthorize and strengthen the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which was due to expire Sept. 30. More than 6.6 million children in the United States were covered by the federal children's program, known as SCHIP, at some point during 2006. Since Congress first authorized SCHIP in 1997, the number of uninsured children in America has fallen by 24 percent..........etc.

www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/04/uninsured.epidemic.obama/

Study: 86.7 million Americans uninsured over last two years

By Jennifer Pifer-Bixler
CNN Senior Medical Producer

(CNN) -- One out of three Americans under 65 were without health insurance at some point during 2007 and 2008, according to a report released Wednesday.

The study, commissioned by the consumer health advocacy group Families USA, found 86.7 million Americans were uninsured at one point during the past two years.

Among the report's key findings:

• Nearly three out of four uninsured Americans were without health insurance for at least six months.

• Almost two-thirds were uninsured for nine months or more.

• Four out of five of the uninsured were in working families.

• People without health insurance are less likely to have a usual doctor and often go without screenings or preventative care.

etc.........

Big Dog wrote:

Really? Please show us where. (in response to my claim, "The fact that the bill excludes illegals is a step in the right direction......")

Excuse me for saying it is a fact. This is what I heard from the townhall meeting, not necessarily a fact that I can produce.....at least, not yet.

[The Big Dog]

Okay so let's assume for the sake of the argument that 15% of the population is "uninsured". Turn that around and explain to me just what sense it makes to completely upend and ultimately destroy the system that provides the best quality of medical care in the world for the sake of those 15%?

85% of the people are covered, by your figures. So doesn't that sound a little bit like the tail wagging the dog to you? Why do we have to have this headlong rush to reform when the actual number affected is nothing near a majority? Don't you think that at least a few of our elected representatives should take a bit of their precious time and actually read the bill before committing us to spend an estimated $1T plus over the next ten years... knowing that the actual cost (using the historical examples of Medicare and MassCare) will likely be far higher?

And for what it's worth there are other surveys that put the total figure at 10% or a bit less. The surveys that bring in larger numbers (such as the consumer health advocacy group Families USA) generally, from what I have read, impute the 20-30 million illegal immigrants into that number, even when that some members of that demographic are getting state aid.... e.g. Medical.

I included the link to the Families USA "about us" site so that readers can see just who is on the board and then draw an informed conclusion about who that organization really is.

And you are excused for declaring something as fact that was hearsay in a political meeting. Your candor is appreciated.