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Post by The New Guy on Jul 26, 2008 12:54:20 GMT -5
i don't think they make a bicycle that can hold all of that.  occasionally, i consider how things would be if i stayed in that same situation. these people have the same opportunities i did the difference is that i wanted to take a chance, work hard, and get out....they don't. they find it much easier to believe the "system" is keeping them down. it has nothing to do with enron or bush. these people have been like this through many presidential administrations. the suggestion by a friend that the daughter have a kid to get more money is a perfect example of what i'm saying. it's easier to stay in the projects and have babies than it is to go out and work. besides they don't look to bad off if you ask me. their clothes are clean, they probably go to get their hair done professionally every week or two, they likely have cable t.v., microwave, heat/air conditioning (i don't even have that), a car, etc. hell, the daughter was even able to afford a tattoo on her right wrist and i don't doubt that mom has one too. the best way to help these folks is to pop the gov't boobies out of their mouths. |
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Post by crossride on Jul 26, 2008 15:44:02 GMT -5
People like this keep rolling downhill because every few yards there is someone else looking to give them something to keep the momentum going. Welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing... and as the story suggests happens to others... have a kid and all that un-help grows. Their attitudes are pathetic and the handouts actually cause them to feel that the attitude is justified. Look at the attitude of the daughter. Even IF she finds a job, "... she says it’s particularly hard to imagine how she’ll keep it."
So right about the tattoo she has as well. Prime examples of where the priorities of people like this are (and I've been around enough of the to judge in general terms). They get the tattoos. The buy the cigarettes. They buy the lottery tickets. They visit the casinos. When they do have kids to increase the welfare checks, they usually spend the excess on themselves and continue to gripe about how its not enough to feed the kids. They get so far down the slope that it gets harder and harder to find a way back up. Its similar to the weight issue. If I'm 20 lbs overweight, losing 10 of it to feel better and be healthier is a very easy thing to do. If I'm 100 lbs overweight... losing 10 means nothing. So why bother.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jul 26, 2008 20:53:33 GMT -5
I don't think the benefits of the welfare system should be handed to just anyone, but I do think some good can be accomplished if the right people are given a hand. I think for those that suck the system dry because they don't want to work etc. then the benefits should be stopped immediately.
I see someone decided to smite me after posting in this thread (I assume that's the reason), and while it's not really a big deal it feels odd to not know the reasoning behind it. At least when Bolverk doles out a smite you know why, this method feels a little back-handed. I've yet to smite anyone, exalt yes, and if I do smite someone I will at least explain myself.
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 26, 2008 22:26:22 GMT -5
no idea who smote you or why. I exalted you. Just because.
I agree - there needs to be some mechanism in place to help those who need it. but it shouldn't be permanent (unless someone is truely diabled and just plain CAN'T work).
I remember that there used to be 'workfare." People who were on welfare did menial work for the city/state/county. I wonder if that got ruled unconstitutional.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jul 27, 2008 13:03:25 GMT -5
I think work programs, or some sort of plan to move people ahead is ideal. What many don't realize is that single parents (unrelated to this story) cannot easily afford daycare, rent, food, insurance etc. I would bet most here would be shocked at the costs of daycare and unfortunately that keeps many enmeshed into the system. Regarding the karma point I really appreciate your kind gesture. I am returning the karma by exalting you since it looks like someone dinged you too. I also appreciate the other couple of points that were posted to me!!  |
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 27, 2008 15:17:42 GMT -5
and, I think that someone who gets a minimum wage job (or one not far above that) should be able to keep most or all benefits for about 6 months. Until they get their feet under them. Don't just jerk the rug from under their feet.
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Post by harpman1 on Jul 27, 2008 15:28:05 GMT -5
There are 2 types of people that are supposed to be helped.
Can'ts & won'ts.
No limit to the help for the first; no help for the second.
At least, not from the Govt' trough.
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Post by Mink on Jul 27, 2008 15:57:49 GMT -5
no idea who smote you or why. I exalted you. Just because. I agree - there needs to be some mechanism in place to help those who need it. but it shouldn't be permanent (unless someone is truely diabled and just plain CAN'T work). I remember that there used to be 'workfare." People who were on welfare did menial work for the city/state/county. I wonder if that got ruled unconstitutional. Subdjoe, according to the link you provided, it does say, that Ms. Numez is disabled....and depressed, from a car accident at a young age. The workfare you mention, is that for the whole country? I remember Clinton passed some law allowing welfare recipients a 5 year period to take care of their child, but then must look for work. There was training available for these parents. |
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 27, 2008 16:04:34 GMT -5
I have a bit of trouble with a car crash causing 17 years worth of depression so bad that a person can't work. And, how much of her physical disability is related to her weight? This sounds like someone milking the system to me.
Workfare could be state by state. There is always trash to pick up and weeds to cut. OR - compulsery voc rehab/training. Get the money by dropping all the classes not in english.
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Post by Mink on Jul 27, 2008 21:53:19 GMT -5
In the link you provided, one could speculate that an injury from a car accident left her disabled.....then she would slip into depression. The picture provided could lead one to suspect she has a weight problem to begin with....however, her Mom & Dad seemed to be doing quite well, financially, which put them in the middle class range.....which could lead to one thinking, how could this happen? How could a person, brought up in the middle class end up like this? Did she suddenly gain this much weight in a short period of time?
As we all know, there are "things to do", stuffing envelopes, picking up after litterers....etc. , however in this case, it is too open, if you will. We have a synopsis built for us, a picture of the questioned and we are left coming up with the answer.
Given the facts that people have used the system in the past and the fact that our economy has left those without work.......what are the choices we can come up with an answer?
We can assume they are parasites or we can assume "they", the stars of this link, will have to do what many are dealing with, hang in there......
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Post by digger on Aug 1, 2008 15:25:22 GMT -5
I agree with Harpman1 above. There are can'ts and wont's. These people in the article are definately won'ts. There is a kid on my street who's shaping up to be won't. Lives at home. Pusing 20 years old, won't to college, won't get a job, won't get a driver's license. Won't mow his single mother's lawn, won't do her trimming, won't walk the dog. My six year old has more ambition.
I have no sympathy for the ladies in this article or those who won't get off their backside to at least try.
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Post by digger on Aug 1, 2008 15:30:37 GMT -5
I have a bit of trouble with a car crash causing 17 years worth of depression so bad that a person can't work. And, how much of her physical disability is related to her weight? Exactly my thoughts. How do you disprove depression? Faking it would be easy enough. I'm so tired of seeing people like this belly up to the trough we taxpayers work our asses off to keep filled. I work in San Francisco. I see so many people walking around with no job, standing on street corners hustling for money. They're not homeless, but they've nothing else to do. 90% of them are walking around with a cane cause they're "disabled". Most don't even try to fake having to use the cane. It's twirled while walking, slung over the shoulder, held so it never touches the ground. The people using them...don't walk with a limp. |
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