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Post by JustMyOpinion on Aug 1, 2008 16:20:43 GMT -5
I agree with Harpman1 above. There are can'ts and wont's. These people in the article are definately won'ts. There is a kid on my street who's shaping up to be won't. Lives at home. Pusing 20 years old, won't to college, won't get a job, won't get a driver's license. Won't mow his single mother's lawn, won't do her trimming, won't walk the dog. My six year old has more ambition. I have no sympathy for the ladies in this article or those who won't get off their backside to at least try. That single mother needs to tell lazy boy to get off his duff and pursue a productive path for his future, and if not, show him the DOOR! |
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Post by Mink on Aug 1, 2008 23:23:05 GMT -5
I agree with Harpman1 above. There are can'ts and wont's. These people in the article are definately won'ts. There is a kid on my street who's shaping up to be won't. Lives at home. Pusing 20 years old, won't to college, won't get a job, won't get a driver's license. Won't mow his single mother's lawn, won't do her trimming, won't walk the dog. My six year old has more ambition. I have no sympathy for the ladies in this article or those who won't get off their backside to at least try. That single mother needs to tell lazy boy to get off his duff and pursue a productive path for his future, and if not, show him the DOOR! Indeed! We may have fewer jobs, a slow economy, but there is no excuse for not keeping up the yard or helping out at home! |
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 2, 2008 0:33:12 GMT -5
but how can those poor folks possibly work when there is such a shortage of jobs? didn't you say in another thread how president bush has lost jobs?
btw, the president's job description doesn't say anything about producing jobs.
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Post by Mink on Aug 2, 2008 0:47:48 GMT -5
but how can those poor folks possibly work when there is such a shortage of jobs? didn't you say in another thread how president bush has lost jobs? btw, the president's job description doesn't say anything about producing jobs. Exactly, how can we expect productivity and survival if there are no jobs? However, that shouldn't stop one from helping out at home, mowing the lawn...etc. Well, I guess we can't expect every president to do well for his country and make it productive, now can we? Even a slew of low wage, temporary, part-time jobs are limited these days. |
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 2, 2008 0:55:28 GMT -5
you totally missed my point. there ARE plenty of jobs available. unfortunatley, there are too many fat heffers like those in question in this thread who find it much more rewarding to sit on their fat asses and collect a check. they don't produce a damn thing but they count in the unemployment figures.
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Post by Mink on Aug 2, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here is defending the picture that was on this bloggers' site. I found that to be disgusting especially knowing that supposedly, they were middle class at one point in time. I didn't buy the story at all. The only decent thing said is that the daughter wouldn't get pregnant just for govt. help.
I don't agree with anyone leeching off the system when they are capable. Indeed, we are in economic slow times, and many are feeling the job losses, high prices and the constant pressure to make ends meet, but there is a fine line here on those who do nothing and abuse the system and those who appear to be doers, but ultimately have lied their way through life........is there a difference? NO, except one is born poor and one is born rich.
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 2, 2008 1:21:10 GMT -5
"one is born poor, one born rich"
and the great thing about america (unlike much of the world) is that both have the ability to be whatever they wish. america IS the land of opportunity. unfortunately, many would rather wallow in self pity and blame others for their problems.
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Post by Mink on Aug 2, 2008 1:26:27 GMT -5
However, if we are to take this story seriously, the lady was injured in an accident, leaving her disabled, which threw her into depression. They live in rural Ohio with no car so how can we judge that they weren't trying? I am not obese, but that doesn't mean I can't understand them? Maybe they have an inactive thyroid? There are too many variables missing, leaving people to judge quickly.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Aug 2, 2008 10:19:12 GMT -5
you totally missed my point. there ARE plenty of jobs available. unfortunatley, there are too many fat heffers like those in question in this thread who find it much more rewarding to sit on their fat asses and collect a check. they don't produce a damn thing but they count in the unemployment figures. TNG, care to enlighten us? |
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 2, 2008 12:33:22 GMT -5
Pretty typical small town America en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fostoria,_Ohio. about 7 sq. miles, 13k people. Likely too small to have a local tranist system. But, with a little thought, a little selective shopping, one need not exist on potatoes and noodles. Chicken is usually inexpensive, and can go a long way (hint, save the bones and make stock, then use that for soups and stews). There are also inexpensive cuts of pork. big bags of frozen veg are available. When the holidays come up, turkey is dirt cheap - and is often pretty cheap during the rest of the year, too - you buy several, bone them out, freeze the meat (or if it had been previously frozen, cook the parts and then freeze that), and for not much money you have a good supply of high quality protein. Don't forget to make stock from the bones, wing tips, and neck. If you save the onion skins, carrot peels, etc. they can also be used either to make broth by themselves or to add flavor to the stock from the bones. Mink, you kind of missed the part about their friends, family, neighbors telling the 19 year old to game the system and start popping out kids. Sounds like there is some experiece there. She is 19, has had "several jobs" in the past few years - wonder why she was let go? She wants to get training as a nurses assistant. Take a good look at her, can you see her making it in any health care position? OK, I'll buy into the mother being so traumatized that she can't function (as much as I doubt it). And I wonder just what the disability is? Has it been properly diagnosed? Why hasn't she availed herself of the various voc training or voc rehab programs that are available? And, lets do some math here - she is 40, the accident happened when she was 23, but she has NEVER worked. So, what was her excuse BEFORE the accident? No high school diploma, so lets say she dropped out at about 16. What did she do for those 7 years before the accident? What did she do the 5 years between ages 18 & 23? NEVER worked - that is what the article said. NEVER. And, what is the daughters excuse? That weight didn't come on since their van broke down. That is YEARS of no exercise, over eating (you don't have to become obese on a starchy diet), and just plain buying into the victim mentality - likely taught to her by her mom. Oh, did you notice just who sponsered that study? NPR, Kaiser, and Harvard School of Public Health. All fairly socialist, nanny-state pushing organizations. If these were true to their past tactics on other matters, they came up with their conclusions, then designed the study to support it rather than to test it, and threw out any data that would contradict their previously arrived at conclusion. I have thyroid problems. They can be dealt with. If they are on public assistance they likely have better medical coverage than I do. If they do have thyroid problems, they can be dealt with. It is tedious getting the meds dialed in rigth, but they can be dealt with. You know, after reading this before posting it, I CAN'T buy into your theory, Mink. Yeah, I could buy a year or two, but 17 years? Nope, just can't buy it. Yes, depression can be a self propogating and debiltating thing and it can be very hard to break out of it. But, it can be overcome, millions have done it. |
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Post by Mink on Aug 2, 2008 14:02:19 GMT -5
Subdjoe, I have no theory except that there wasn't enough information to draw a fair conclusion. Some parts make this family appear like they are abusing the system, in that case, shame on them.
However, like JMO had pointed out earlier in the thread, when people are that down on their luck, it is difficult to climb back out.
I don't understand how a middle class family all of a sudden is in low income housing with no sense to do domething about it? All the facts just don't jive. For instance, it seems the rest of the extended family is in the same housing project, in the same predicament. AS for her people telling the daughter to have a baby, the thing is, she won't do it.....that is a good thing.
I agree with you that there are many ways to make your money stretch by making your own stock, which is easy and since they are at home, it takes time, why not? With their food stamps, I'm sure they can afford one roast which could last all week or a whole chicken which could provide several meals. There is no need to give up protein.
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 2, 2008 14:23:48 GMT -5
you totally missed my point. there ARE plenty of jobs available. unfortunatley, there are too many fat heffers like those in question in this thread who find it much more rewarding to sit on their fat asses and collect a check. they don't produce a damn thing but they count in the unemployment figures. TNG, care to enlighten us? enlighten you? i think i laid it out pretty clearly. mink would have you believe these ladies were at one time middle class. horsecrap! these folks are NOT middle class. never have been. how can you possibly be middle class if you NEVER held a job in your ENTIRE life?i grew up around people like this. i grew up in this type of "housing." i've seen it year after year after year. the same people doing the same thing. having babies, collecting checks, eating potato chips and fast food, driving nice cars. some do escape (me) but it is difficult because they realize they've got it made in the shade if they stay. why get up and go to work everyday to make $8 or 10 bucks and hour when you can sit at home and watch TV and get paid more?!?! it's not that the economic system keeps them there, it's the SOCIALIST WELFARE system that keeps them there.let me know if you need more enlightenment? |
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