Remember Penny Pritzker?

[saunterelle]

Aug 27, 2008 13:29:21 GMT -5 @bolverk said:

But, perhaps we should listen to the words of Carol McCain on the subject, and not those who judge him.

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’ she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce.

‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

Seems she has a better handle on it then most people. She understands that after nearly dying in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire, being badly injured when shot down, captured and held prisoner for six years and then coming home, he had a bit of a middle age crisis at the age of 40. What is so difficult to understand.

He pays all her medical costs. She forgives him and is still on good terms with her. Yet you, a Democrat, judge him by actions you can not even comprehend. Worse, you attempt to make political hay out of a life time of suffering, and that is plain despicable.

Yet, it is okay that Penny Pritzker was one of the prime players that engineered the sub-prime lending scheme. And, it was a major anchor on our economy. No problems with that eh? Obama feels your pain, because one of his main people are the cause of it.

Well I'm glad she has come to grips with what McCain did. So has Hillary Clinton with what Bill did. The difference being, Bill and Hillary maturely worked through their marital problems while McCain cheated on and later ditched his (5-inches-shorter) wife because he "didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25." Can we trust a short tempered man to be President who might "want to be 25" when the phone rings at 3 AM? I don't think so.

[Mink]

Exactly saunterelle!!!

Gee, for someone who makes so much sense, and treat people with respect, why is it that some feel you need to lose points??

Well, let me start.....here is one and many to follow

[The Big Dog]

Again the deflections go on and on and on.

Mink or Saunterelle... can either of you respond cogently, on point, to Barack Obama's national campaign finance manager (a top employee of the campaign) being one of the key figures in the sub-prime meltdown which you have (if I recall correctly) excoriated Republicans, up to and including Bush, repeatedly for.

Think "Ken Lay".....

[Mink]

and while you "play" your political blaming game, given the economy's downturn, I will leave it up to saunterelle to respond as he does so well.

In the meantime, might I interject on the "game" and throw this little ditty in so you will see what I am talking about. As you guys continue to blame someone else for the problem/s while bush has been in office for near 8 years, allow me:

www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/23/do-republicans-have-a-sugar-momma-double-standard/

Back in 2004, conservatives from all corners of the media attacked John Kerry as a “gigolo” who never earned a dime in his life and owed everything to his rich, heiress wife. Well, now that the tables are turned — and a Republican is the one who owes his entire political existence to his rich, heiress wife — is it unfair to use the same line of attack against John McCain?

There needs to be a lot more focus of this sort on John McCain’s “character,” given that, from now until November, no matter what Obama does, the Rovian disciples managing John McCain’s candidacy will ensure his campaign is about little other than these sorts of slimy, personality-based, Freak Show attacks on Obama. It’s what the GOP does and it’s what the media is capable of disseminating.
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Anymore drivel?

[The Big Dog]

Again with a non-answer and a deflection off to another topic. Coupled with a hope that someone else will come riding to your rhetorical rescue now that you have stepped in a big pile of intellectual manure. Well that's so very typical of the left in this country, isn't it?

Whats the matter Mink? Can't answer a simple question about the top money person in the Obama campaign being one of the most central figures in the "economy's downturn" as you put it?

Falling back on yet another bash of the President, who isn't running for anything this year you'll recall, just seems to be more of your stock in trade.

Sorry... not buying.

[harpman1]

Did John McCain lie to a Federal Grand Jury when questioned about his affair?

If he did, he should be disbarred.

Cindy was a subordinate of his and worked in his home.

She was less than half McCains age.

If Bill Clinton had done that, he would have been investigated for sure.

It seems powerful Republicans can do things that would get any other top executive fired, yet their legend grows brighter, and the investigators get smeared as perverts.

Oops, reverse that!

[saunterelle]

Thanks Mink!

Bolverk, you're attacking Obama for having Penny Pritzker as his campaign finance manager?

Let's see, Obama probably knows Penny from her philanthropic work for the city of Chicago. She is very much involved in the reform of Chicago’s public education system. Currently she is Vice Chair of the Chicago Public Education Fund, the successor organization to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. She also chairs a Blue Ribbon Task Force for Chicago Public Schools entitled “Leading to Great Principals”, and is a founding member of the board of Young Women’s Leadership Charter School.

You probably have issue with her involvement with Superior Bank, a company her uncle Jay bought a stake in in the 1980's. She chaired the bank until stepping down in 1994 but continued to serve on the board of directors, overseeing her family's 50% stake in the company until the bank's collapse in 2001. The bank then engaged in some shady business practices but it was mostly the fault of the bank's other half-owner, Alvin Dworman, the more dominant partner in its operation as a result of agreements Jay Pritzker made early on according to a 2001 Business Week article. Quoted in the New York Times about the failure of the bank, a Pritzker family friend observed Pritzker was trapped in a deal of her uncle's making: "Penny got sucked into this … This was really the legacy of Jay."

So, maybe she indirectly had a hand in the subprime mess but she certainly didn't "create" it. I think it's a non-issue that she is Obama's campaign finance manager. As one of the richest women in America, she seems like the best fit for the job.

[harpman1]

So does this choice of Ms. P. support Michelle O's admonition to young black women to stay away from corporate culture for a career?

Would she tell them that so they won't end up filthy rich like Ms. P.?

It makes sense; why would any woman subject herself to luxury when she can be a struggling community organizer like The One?

[saunterelle]

Michelle O's admonition to young black women to stay away from corporate culture for a career

Excuse my ignorance but when and where did she say this?

[bolverk]

Aug 28, 2008 10:28:56 GMT -5 saunterelle said:

Thanks Mink!

Bolverk, you're attacking Obama for having Penny Pritzker as his campaign finance manager?

Let's see, Obama probably knows Penny from her philanthropic work for the city of Chicago. She is very much involved in the reform of Chicago’s public education system. Currently she is Vice Chair of the Chicago Public Education Fund, the successor organization to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. She also chairs a Blue Ribbon Task Force for Chicago Public Schools entitled “Leading to Great Principals”, and is a founding member of the board of Young Women’s Leadership Charter School.

You probably have issue with her involvement with Superior Bank, a company her uncle Jay bought a stake in in the 1980's. She chaired the bank until stepping down in 1994 but continued to serve on the board of directors, overseeing her family's 50% stake in the company until the bank's collapse in 2001. The bank then engaged in some shady business practices but it was mostly the fault of the bank's other half-owner, Alvin Dworman, the more dominant partner in its operation as a result of agreements Jay Pritzker made early on according to a 2001 Business Week article. Quoted in the New York Times about the failure of the bank, a Pritzker family friend observed Pritzker was trapped in a deal of her uncle's making: "Penny got sucked into this … This was really the legacy of Jay."

So, maybe she indirectly had a hand in the subprime mess but she certainly didn't "create" it. I think it's a non-issue that she is Obama's campaign finance manager. As one of the richest women in America, she seems like the best fit for the job.

Penny Pritzker was not indirectly involved in the sub-prime lending schemes, she was an architect of them.

I smote you for cherry picking wiki-pedia.

[saunterelle]

Penny Pritzker was not indirectly involved in the sub-prime lending schemes, she was an architect of them.

Really? Was she indited for any wrongdoing?

[bolverk]

Here is a bit about the Superior Bank collapse. I somehow think Fran Sweet, a victim of the Pritzker family, would not agree with you.

And this article from the Chicago Sun Times paints a bit of a different picture on Penny's involvement in Superior at the time of its collapse.

There are of course plenty of links to this subject out there. It is a documented fact.