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Post by mrroqout on Sept 4, 2008 12:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mink on Sept 4, 2008 20:26:34 GMT -5
Mink do yourself a favor on this... back away from the computer. You are playing a very much losing hand trying to argue the experience question. You number one man has far less executive experience than Mrs. Palin. See the video clip of Speaker Gingrich above. Check back in with us after the vice presidential debate on October 2. Hopefully you'll have some new talking points by then. When Gingrich has earned my respect, maybe I'll listen to him, but thanks for the suggestion Big Dog. I wouldn't want this forum to get boring  |
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Post by Mink on Sept 4, 2008 20:31:50 GMT -5
Thank you mrroqout for doing the homework here for us. You just confirmed my point. Although Alaska isn't "the "least" populated state , it can't be argued that it is indeed "sparsely populated". Now, that this is established, let's look at the "experience" Ms. Palin has, what she has done in her time frame as an "executive", if you will. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 4, 2008 20:33:15 GMT -5
TNG, I'm glad you thought Palin's speech was a "grand slam." I was not so impressed. If she were running for any other position except for one in the White House I might feel inspired. I kept waiting for the verbal knock out punch and it never happened. I saw a sea of white people inspired by emotion, and in the end I still do not know where she stands on things like economics, the war, health care etc. We all want an underdog to come save the day and in my opinion she's not it!
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 4, 2008 21:33:32 GMT -5
no one's asking YOU to be inspired. in fact i would not expect YOU to be inspired. obviously, i was not impressed even the slightest with obama or biden's speeches. it was the same ol' same ol'. these speeches aren't for the party bases. they are designed to reach out to that 15% or so who are undecided. btw, how many non-whites did you see at the DNC? i have it on Tivo and i bet i can count them on both hands. and what does this have to do with anything? are you trying to imply something racial? don't be shy, jmo, come on out and say it. go for it! get off the porch and run with the big dogs. i've been actually proud of you lately because it seems you are finally coming off the fence and taking a stand. keep it up but please be specific when you make claims and assertions. you go girl! p.s. i would be remiss in my duties if i didn't smite you for the racial implication. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 4, 2008 22:27:16 GMT -5
Here you go Mr. Oz:NEW YORK - Comprehensive sex education that includes discussion of birth control may help reduce teen pregnancies, while abstinence-only programs seem to fall short, the results of a U.S. survey suggest. Using data from a 2002 national survey, researchers found that among more than 1,700 unmarried, heterosexual teens between 15 and 19 years old, those who'd received comprehensive sex ed in school were 60 percent less likely to have been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant than teens who'd had no formal sex education. Meanwhile, there was no clear benefit from abstinence-only education in preventing pregnancy or delaying sexual intercourse, the researchers report in the Journal of Adolescent Health. The study found that teens who'd been through abstinence-only programs were less likely than those who'd received no sex ed to have been pregnant. However, the difference was not significant in statistical terms, which means the finding could have been due to chance. In addition, there was no evidence that comprehensive sex education increased the likelihood of teen sex or boosted rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) — a concern of people who oppose teaching birth control in schools. While comprehensive sex ed did not clearly reduce the STD risk, there was a modest, but statistically insignificant reduced risk of engaging in sex. The abstinence-only approach had no effect on either factor, the researchers found. "The bottom line is that there is strong evidence that comprehensive sex education is more effective than abstinence-only education at preventing teen pregnancies," said lead researcher Pamela K. Kohler, of the Center for AIDS and STD at the University of Washington in Seattle. She told Reuters Health the study "also solidly debunks the myth that teens who learn about birth control are more likely to have sex." Currently, the federal government champions the abstinence-only approach, giving around $170 million each year to states and community groups to teach kids to say no to sex. This funding precludes mention of birth control and condoms, unless it is to emphasize their failure rates. Critics have long pointed out that studies have failed to show that abstinence-only education delays sex or lowers rates of teen pregnancy. The current study is the first to compare the effects of comprehensive sex ed and abstinence-only education in a national survey, Kohler noted. Of the teens in the study, two thirds said they had received comprehensive sex education, while about one quarter had had abstinence-only courses. Just under 10 percent said they'd received no formal sex education. There is now a body of evidence showing that the comprehensive approach may cut the odds of teen pregnancy, without increasing the likelihood of teens having sex, according to Kohler. However, she added, "there seems to be a gap between scientific evidence and policy change." Source:www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23782717/Oh, and by the way I have never doled out a smite/smote until now! I wanted to use that option for people who really deserved it, but since you've nailed me on more than one occasion I feel it is now appropriate. ;D
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Post by ferrous on Sept 5, 2008 8:45:27 GMT -5
And I will ask, how inspired was JMO with Biden's speech?
(You did listen to it so you can compare, didn't you?)
These two candidates are running for Vice President.
Although I was impressed with Palin's speech, overall, I was expecting more.
I do like her delivery and timing. Her straight talk is a relief from the shouting and pontificating of most convention speakers.
She got off a couple of good hits with:
"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.
We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco."
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" when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan?"
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I think she adds a much needed boost to McCain's run for office and although I don't support her in her views on sex-education and evolution vs creationism, I think she is a breath of fresh air in the political arena.
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Post by mrroqout on Sept 5, 2008 12:47:26 GMT -5
Thank you mrroqout for doing the homework here for us. You just confirmed my point. Although Alaska isn't "the "least" populated state , it can't be argued that it is indeed "sparsely populated". Now, that this is established, let's look at the "experience" Ms. Palin has, what she has done in her time frame as an "executive", if you will. Mink I would AGAIN point you to the video of Mr. Gingrich, he explains what she has done better than I ever could. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 5, 2008 19:15:02 GMT -5
no one's asking YOU to be inspired. in fact i would not expect YOU to be inspired. obviously, i was not impressed even the slightest with obama or biden's speeches. it was the same ol' same ol'. these speeches aren't for the party bases. they are designed to reach out to that 15% or so who are undecided. TNG, I have no expectations that you personally would want anything from me but a rebuttal. The truth is McCain's party would want me to be inspired since I am a independent, and haven't decided which way to vote yet... And, if I were truly in awe of McCain/Palin I would vote for them! |
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 6, 2008 11:26:07 GMT -5
after all that hoopla at the DNC including barak's amazing event at the football stadium, more people tuned in for sarah palin AND john mccain's speeches.
what is up with that???
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Post by Mink on Sept 6, 2008 14:25:41 GMT -5
Mrroqout: Mink I would AGAIN point you to the video of Mr. Gingrich, he explains what she has done better than I ever could."
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Mrroqout, I saw that on TV when it happened. Of course, the Right wing want to paint her as "experienced", and that in itself, is still subject to more scrutiny. I didn't hear much about her thoughts on issues except support for parents of mentally challenged children. The investigation on her abuse of powers in Alaska must be very inconvenient right now and the more you hear about her, the more questions of her ability to be VP.
Examples: jet placed on ebay; supporting the bridge to nowhere before being against it; banning some books at libraries; hubby's affiliation with the American Independence; her pork barrelling; leaving deficits .......the list is growing.
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Post by Mink on Sept 6, 2008 14:28:34 GMT -5
after all that hoopla at the DNC including barak's amazing event at the football stadium, more people tuned in for sarah palin AND john mccain's speeches. what is up with that??? Curiosity #1 No free seats #2 I heard both conventions got equal viewers. Looks like the country is paying attention. |
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