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Post by The New Guy on May 18, 2008 11:49:26 GMT -5
obama, relying on rock star cult status until recently, has sailed through most of the democratic primary season. now that the layers are being peeled away and we are finally beginning to see who this man really is do you think he has a snowball's chance at beating mccain in the general election?
i don't. i think the dems are going to regret annointing this guy come november. just as they did with kerry, al gore, and mcgovern.
speaking of mcgovern, i believe he recently endorsed obama. wow, i would rather have the endorsement of rev. wright or louis farakan than a 3 time loser like mcgovern!
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Post by Mink on May 18, 2008 12:56:48 GMT -5
Obama is worthy alright. I wouldn't worry about him.
The real question, is McCain worthy? He didn't have the immediate support from his own party and it doesn't look any different months later.
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Post by The New Guy on May 18, 2008 23:40:48 GMT -5
well it's come down to him. although, i'm sure most conservative are like me when it comes to mccain.....he wasn't our first choice but now he's our man and he is still leaps and bounds better than barry or hill.
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Post by Mink on May 19, 2008 21:51:20 GMT -5
Unlike you and other conservatives, Obama was my first choice even though I like the Clintons. Some Republicans have already switched to vote for him come November.
He has a good message that is inclusive for the country and the world for that fact. He is much more worthy than any of the contenders of either party from the beginning.
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Post by The New Guy on May 19, 2008 22:11:23 GMT -5
watch how many dems bail on obama!
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Post by subdjoe on May 19, 2008 22:25:14 GMT -5
Well, his message is the same one that Anderson and Hart used - Change! and Vote for me because I'm not like them! No real details of how he wants to bring about that change. Most of his talk seems to be on a redistribution of wealth, concentrating more power in the hands of the State, and in general pandering to the socialist, one world government crowd.
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Post by Mink on May 19, 2008 22:39:15 GMT -5
Does any candidate really give exact details when running for pres.? Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider. He also said he would bring honor back to the WH. Well? The country is as divided as it can get (although now after 8 yrs., a poorly managed war, economic stress....etc.), some can admit they were wrong.........plus the honor of the WH has never been more stained.
If the conservatives still in denial, back Bush, I would gamble on a man who has better use of language, had to work for what he has and is willing to work with others who don't necessarily have the same POV.
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Post by subdjoe on May 19, 2008 22:58:11 GMT -5
You voting for Ron Paul, Mink?
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Post by Mink on May 19, 2008 23:07:27 GMT -5
I did consider him had it not been for Obama, truly. I think Ron Paul is a better choice for the Repulicans than John McCain. He wants us out of Iraq and McCain would rather be there for 100 years.
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Post by subdjoe on May 19, 2008 23:21:13 GMT -5
Well, Paul understands the Constitutional limits placed on the governement better than the 'constitutional scholar" does.
I don't think that McCain WANTS to have a US presence in Iraq for 100 years, but he sees that we may need it. Kinda like we have been in Germany and Japan for over 60 years and spent billions to rebuild both countries. We have been in Korea for over 50 years. And except for a brief hiatus in the early '40s, we have had a presence in the Phillipines for neigh on to 100 years. Sometimes real world necessity trumps political grandstanding.
So, what do we do? Just say, "Thanks, it has been interesting, but time for us to leave." and just pull out?
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Post by Mink on May 20, 2008 22:40:18 GMT -5
Do we have a base in Vietnam? America may have been in the Phillipines, but we are no longer there and they don't want us there either, not that they don't like us.
I think we can pull out of Iraq if we have base/s in friendlier countries nearby to monitor the situation. The problem with the Middle East is they have been in conflict forever and it looks like they are just getting revved up again. If 100 years won't bring the peace, what would we do then? Ask our great grandchildren to forgive this decision? Will they be there to ask?
Obama may have a different idea for his policy, but I'm willing to see it through because Bush's policy and one that McCain supports is just more of the same and one we can't afford.
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Post by subdjoe on May 20, 2008 23:30:54 GMT -5
Which still doesn't answer my question, what do we do and what do we tell the people of Iraq? From what I can tell from Obamas words, he thinks we just pack up and leave. Don'te even bother to turn out the lights or make sure the stove is turned off, just get the hell out of Dodge.
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