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Post by Mink on May 20, 2008 23:53:38 GMT -5
Ron Paul wants us out too.
Obama won't just "yank" us out but scale down our presence. He just won't keep the current policy by making sure tours of duties aren't back-to-back and properly equipped military for example.
As it is now, how are we helping the Iraqi people? We've Shocked and Awed their lifestyles and now responsible for rebuilding? I'm not blaming our military, but I am blaming this president and whoever wins the election in November has one heck of a mess to fix along with our own neglected problems at home.
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Post by The New Guy on May 21, 2008 0:50:46 GMT -5
Do we have a base in Vietnam? nor do we have a base in russia or north korea. come on, mink. think about it. hah! if i didn't know you better i'd think you were trying to be funny. exactly which countries are going to "monitor" the situation? |
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Post by Mink on May 22, 2008 0:34:52 GMT -5
Do we have a base in Vietnam? nor do we have a base in russia or north korea. come on, mink. think about it. We didn't fight in Russia and Subdjoe mentioned bases in countries where we were stationed or in a war, hence my reference to Vietnam. hah! if i didn't know you better i'd think you were trying to be funny. exactly which countries are going to "monitor" the situation? Nearby countries threatened by this neighboring region, Europe. Diplomatic talks can be helpful especially with "gung-ho, shoot-from-the-hip" Bush out of office. Who knows, maybe Republicans in Congress may grow their nuts back. |
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Post by subdjoe on May 22, 2008 1:00:46 GMT -5
And if something goes bad, the US will be either blamed for it, called in to fix it, or both at once.
And I still don't hear any of the Dems saying anything but pull out now. Even Barry.
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 11:26:32 GMT -5
Does any candidate really give exact details when running for pres.? Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider. He also said he would bring honor back to the WH. Well? The country is as divided as it can get (although now after 8 yrs., a poorly managed war, economic stress....etc.), some can admit they were wrong.........plus the honor of the WH has never been more stained. If the conservatives still in denial, back Bush, I would gamble on a man who has better use of language, had to work for what he has and is willing to work with others who don't necessarily have the same POV. I don't know, somehow getting a blowjob under your desk seems to dishonor the white house more then the political bickering caused by people who do not wish to cooperate purely for political reasons. |
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 11:44:36 GMT -5
Do we have a base in Vietnam? America may have been in the Phillipines, but we are no longer there and they don't want us there either, not that they don't like us. I think we can pull out of Iraq if we have base/s in friendlier countries nearby to monitor the situation. The problem with the Middle East is they have been in conflict forever and it looks like they are just getting revved up again. If 100 years won't bring the peace, what would we do then? Ask our great grandchildren to forgive this decision? Will they be there to ask? Obama may have a different idea for his policy, but I'm willing to see it through because Bush's policy and one that McCain supports is just more of the same and one we can't afford. Well, you stumbled big time on this one. Just so happens, I am married to Filipina, and you don't know what you are talking about. The Philippines wanted us out because we had a treaty, and we kept our end of the bargain, that is the crux of it. They love Americans and hate terrorists with a passion. If our country was as serious about the terrorist threats as their country, there would be no issues with the American people and the war on terrorism. And, their would be less terrorism period. But, you have never been there have you, so how could you know. As far as us not having a base in Vietnam, well that is just a plain ridiculous statement. We pulled out of Vietnam because of the political upheaval of the tune in, turn on and drop out generation. Because we pulled out, and did not leave a base and help with rebuilding their country, Vietnam did not make an economic come back until some 22 years after the war. Communism nearly destroyed them, and a rapid shift to a Free Market and Socialism is the only thing that brought them back from the brink. As far as what you think we can do in Iraq, it is irrelevant. You have little to no experience in such matters, as your statements clearly show. Besides, if you kept up with the news, you would know that troop reductions are on the way this fall. Just in time for the elections. |
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 11:49:59 GMT -5
Ron Paul wants us out too. Obama won't just "yank" us out but scale down our presence. He just won't keep the current policy by making sure tours of duties aren't back-to-back and properly equipped military for example. As it is now, how are we helping the Iraqi people? We've Shocked and Awed their lifestyles and now responsible for rebuilding? I'm not blaming our military, but I am blaming this president and whoever wins the election in November has one heck of a mess to fix along with our own neglected problems at home. It is the job of Congress to equip our soldiers, not the President. It has been Congress who has used the military funding bill for political reasons, and not paying for equipment, not the President. |
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 11:54:20 GMT -5
nor do we have a base in russia or north korea. come on, mink. think about it. We didn't fight in Russia and Subdjoe mentioned bases in countries where we were stationed or in a war, hence my reference to Vietnam. hah! if i didn't know you better i'd think you were trying to be funny. exactly which countries are going to "monitor" the situation? Nearby countries threatened by this neighboring region, Europe. Diplomatic talks can be helpful especially with "gung-ho, shoot-from-the-hip" Bush out of office. Who knows, maybe Republicans in Congress may grow their nuts back. Oh yeah, negotiations kept us out of Kuwait and Kosovo. Negotiations stopped Yassir Arafat from targeting Israel. Yeah, negotiations will be real helpful. They have been very productive in saving Lebanon, Afghanistan and a whole host of other issues. You negotiate with terrorist exactly like the Filipino's. Surround them on a mountain top and kill them all. |
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Post by saunterelle on May 22, 2008 11:59:37 GMT -5
Obama is often described as having "style with no substance" but if you take a look at his website it has all the substance you're looking for. The issues are clearly laid out along with his stance on them and the specific steps he will take to achieve his goals. Take a look at his Blueprint for Change here: www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf Bolverk, the Bush administration has disgraced the White House more than a blowjob ever could. Look at the list of corrupt incompetents Bush brought in who have since "resigned": Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, Education Secretary Rod Paige, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham. Directore of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony Principi, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton, Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby resigned after 4 felony convictions and Karl Rove (Turd Blossom) resigned too. Altogether, twelve of the fifteen cabinet-level department heads resigned and were replaced. Remaining were Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson. |
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 12:15:56 GMT -5
Obama is often described as having "style with no substance" but if you take a look at his website it has all the substance you're looking for. The issues are clearly laid out along with his stance on them and the specific steps he will take to achieve his goals. Take a look at his Blueprint for Change here: www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf Bolverk, the Bush administration has disgraced the White House more than a blowjob ever could. Look at the list of corrupt incompetents Bush brought in who have since "resigned": Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, Education Secretary Rod Paige, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham. Directore of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony Principi, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton, Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby resigned after 4 felony convictions and Karl Rove (Turd Blossom) resigned too. Altogether, twelve of the fifteen cabinet-level department heads resigned and were replaced. Remaining were Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson. Funny, I don't see any faked suicides in that list. Or countless sexual encounters. Gee, no impeachment precedings. Wow, no pardons given to the largest tax cheat in U.S. History. I think you are wrong. |
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Post by bolverk on May 22, 2008 12:46:03 GMT -5
Did you give the same vitriolic hue and cry when these resignations in the Clinton Administration occurred?
Secretary of State: Warren Christopher
01.) Secretary of the Treasury: Lloyd Bentsen
02.) Secretary of the Treasury: Robert Rubin
03.) Secretary of Defense: Les Aspin
04.) Secretary of Defense: William Perry
05.) Secretary of Agriculture: Mike Espy
06.) Secretary of Commerce: Ronald H. Brown
07.) Secretary of Commerce: Mickey Kantor
08.) Secretary of Commerce: William M. Daley
09.) Secretary of Labor: Robert Reich
10.) Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Henry G. Cisneros
11.) Secretary of Transportation: Federico F. Pena
12.) Secretary of Energy: Hazel R. O’Leary
13.) Secretary of Energy: Frederico F. Pena
14.) Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs: Jesse Brown
But, lets not forget the Clinton Administration Convictions:
01.) Webster Hubbell
02.) Jim McDougal
03.) Susan McDougal
04.) Gov. Jim Guy Tucker
05.) Stephen Smith
06.) David Hale
07.) Eugene Fitzhugh
08.) Charles Matthews
09.) Robert W. Palmer
10.) Chris Wade
11.) Neal T. Ainley
12.) Larry Kuca
13.) Henry Espy
14.) James Lake
15.) William J. Marks, Sr.
16.) John Latham
17.) John Haley
18.) Michael Brown (Ron Browns son)
19.) Eugene Lum
20.) Nora Lum
21.) Johnny Chung
22.) Tyson Foods
23.) Sun Diamond Growers
24.) Richard Douglas
25.) James Lake
26.) Ron Blackley
27.) Smith Barney
28.) Crop Growers Corporation
29.) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr.
30.) Five M Farming Enterprises
31.) John J Hemmingson
32.) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr.
33.) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative
34.) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet
35.) Linda Jones
36.) Patsy Jo Wooten
37.) Allen Wooten
38.) Roger Clinton
39.) Dan Lasater
40.) Bill McCuen
41.) Dan Harmon
42.) Roger Tamraz (Lebanon by default)
Or the Clinton Administration Indictments:
01.) Ron Brown (indictment was pending at time of death)
02.) Herby Branscum
03.) Robert Hill
04.) Mike Espy
05.) Henry Cisneros
06.) Jack Williams
07.) Archie Schaefer
08.) Charlie Trie
09.) Maria Hsia
10.) Nolanda Hill
11.) Bruce Babbit
12.) Ron Carey
13.) Monica Lewinsky
14.) Webster Hubbell, Wife and 2 Others (new charges)
15.) Roger Tamraz (France)
So, with an equal number of resignations, but no where near the convictions or indictments, why do you have a gripe? Were you on the soapbox of the Clinton Administration as well? Or did he just get a pass, like the rest of the country gave him.
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Post by saunterelle on May 22, 2008 13:10:45 GMT -5
Can you explain the significance of all these names you just posted? The ones I put up were forced resignations due to incompetence, scandal (not sex related), and corruption in the White House.
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