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Post by subdjoe on Sept 20, 2008 8:27:06 GMT -5
[quote author=mink board=uspolitics thread=341 post=5358 time=1221893282[/quote] Without bringing in particular names of who would represent women in general, it would be a woman who can relate to women. This isn't a hate speech so please don't use that crutch. The person who wrote this article basically is targeting the Hillary voters, who were excited at the fact that a woman would run the country and as we all know, some are capable  It had nothing to do with conservative "White" women.[/quote] Well, Mink, you fell back to your "neocon" label, therefore hate speech. That is something I learned from the left - any criticism that uses unacceptable labels is hate speech. If you don;t want to be accused of using hate speech, then don't use it, very simple. "A woman who can relate to women" Hmm....so, a mother of 5 can't relate to women. A woman who tried journalism can't relate to women. A woman who hunts can't relate to women. A woman who cooks can't relate to women. A woman who fishes can't relate to women. A woman who is in a stable marriage can't relate to women. I guess only women who have zero, one or two children can relate to women. Only women who went to law school can relate to women. Only women who have philandering husbands and are in denial about it can relate to women. Only women who believe that women and minorities are not as good as men can relate to women. Only women who believe that the State knows better than the individual how to run their lives can relate to women. Only women who don't want a school nurse to give an aspirin to a 12 year old, but see no problem with that same nurse helping that 12 year old get an abortion without the parents knowing it can relate to women. I see. Why not name some names? Maybe Rosie or Ellen are role models? Or Oprah? Yeah, all typical American women that all women can relate to. So, come on, Mink. Give us some examples of who you think would be good role models. As far as "nothing to do with conservative "white" women, you must have missed this line: "It's more accurate to say that every thoughtful or liberal or intuitive or open-minded white woman" which is pretty much saying that conservative WHITE women are not thoughtful, intuitive, open minded. Sounds like he was slamming a good portion of the women in the country. I can't buy what you are selling Mink. This is as blatant a piece of fear mongering hate speech as ever came out of a Klukker. The writer manages to be a sexist, ageist, racist, misogynist, and elitist all in one smelly package. And it still boils down to unless a woman, or minority, toes the leftist/socialist/progressive party line, they somehow can't be a real (insert preferred victim class) and must be selling out to "the man" or "whitey". Yeah, real diverse, tolerant, and inclusive. It is a constant amazement to me that the side of the aisle that claims to be so open, tolerant, etc. is so closed to anyone who dares to be a bit different. Am I being hypercritical (read that twice, it isn't a typo, I meant what I typed) on this? You bet. I'm doing EXACTLY what the O, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive left does. I figure I might as well use its own tactics against it. |
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Post by jgaffney on Sept 20, 2008 9:32:05 GMT -5
Anyone who bases their opinion on what Mark Morford has to say needs to broaden their horizons. Morford's column runs weekly in the SFChron, and panders to the ultra-liberal views of the readership, where snickering, snide comments substitute for rational political thought, where anyone who disagrees is dismissed derisively. Using Morford to back one's opinion is analagous to quoting Michael Savage.
I think McCain's selection of Palin was done partly to bring an outsider into Washington, and partly to expose the hypocrisy of the Left. So far, it's working pretty well. While focusing on the "heartbeat away" line of thought, the Left totally ignores that their lead candidate has even less executive experience. While spinning their wheels in the "TrooperGate" mud, the Left completely ignores the fact that they have nominated the most liberal senator in the Congress, an empty suit that offers platitudes on the stump, but socialism on his website. I think Obama is counting on only the rabidly faithful reading his real policies.
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Post by thewholetruth on Sept 20, 2008 10:11:52 GMT -5
Sarah Palin is what every woman ought to be about. She loves the Lord, loves her children no matter what - compared to those who kill the babies they don't want - and loves her family, loves her country, is tired of corruption and government greed and abuse, and doesn't codepend homosexuals like the Liberal Left does. Not only that, but she's fine as frog's hair (that means she's a Hottie) and honest with the media, unlike Obama Bin Laden's angry wife (not pretty or smart or loving or Godly - just angry at White people) or Obama Bin Laden himself who struggles to remember the party line in every interview. We've never seen White-hater Obama be honest in an interview. Not once. Palin is what America needs right now. I can see God's fingerprints in bringing her on board. I believe McCain will probably die and we'll have a Godly, intelligent, determined, successful, honest, Prolife President. I will rejoice... Subdjoe: "So, the left is afraid of a woman with the ovaries to be sucessful without trying to be a man. One who refuses to conform to the narrow, bigoted, leftist stereotype of what women are supposed to be. Interesting. Seems like they should 'celebrate' a woman who makes it on her own terms." ___________________________________________________ If you read the article, women are not afraid, they are pissed! They are pissed because she doesn't represent women, in general. She represents only herself which is not what we've waited for, for "how many" years??!! She is just a replica of Cheney or the neocons, which is the only pattern apparent. She is no doubt, a woman, but not the one that deserves the role model status this position would bring. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 20, 2008 13:52:35 GMT -5
Is this issue about Palin being "hot?" We all know men would do anything to have a woman that wears stilettos while cooking and cleaning, but that doesn't make a candidate for anything other than entertainment. Motherly, godly?  In my opinion she should home raising her special needs baby, at least for the first few years. I am not impressed. Palin's daughter Bristol, not unlike Jamie Spears is a poor teen role model, I say no thanks to that inspiration. What happened to the abstinence only training? Oh wait, it doesn't work. We should be scrutinizing all candidates with a fine tooth comb, even the fine frog's hair. We are electing these people to cover our asses in a world of American haters, and how do we react? Ooh la-la Palin's hot, and a mama, and feisty, and yes, yes, yes she's the "one." ~Shudder~ Seriously?! The candidates are selling themselves, they will sell whatever bill of goods the public will line up to buy, and in droves apparently. We are just learning about Palin, and even before her famous speech the applause lingered for a very long time. What was that about anyway? Why aren't we carefully listening, and scrutinizing every last word and action these people make, even Palin and Obama? Well, I guess that depends on which preconceived idea one has bought into, and forget listening to anything else! I still say the debates will remove the magic fog from both parties and hopefully we will get to see our options much more clearly without Teleprompters and other political manipulative tools! Mighty Mouse isn't going to fly in and save the day, sorry. |
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Post by Mink on Sept 20, 2008 14:25:00 GMT -5
Palin, honest? Look how much the country has found out
about her since mccain picked her as his VP. Her teenage
daughter is pregnant (5 months), she has her own issues in
Alaska as governor re: her abuse of power, her hubby belongs
to the American Independence party, "I told Congress thanks,
but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere" lie, we are
considered "the lower 48", she doesn't know what the bush
doctrine, the plane that was never sold on ebay, the fired cook
that was never fired, she will help special needs children, but
she doesn't say how she cut funds to the Special Olympics in
Alaska as governor....I mean the lies goes on and on.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 20, 2008 15:58:37 GMT -5
OK, what do we know about Barry? He is for 'change.' He is ashamed of his white and arab relatives. He is for 'change.' He lies about supporting the 2nd Amendment. He is for 'change.' He has no executive experience. He is for 'change.' He voted to keep adult book stores close to parks and schools. He is for 'change.' He is backed by racists. He is for 'change.' He wants the US to support the rest of the world. He is for 'change.' He is against developing domestic power supplies. He is for 'change.' He favors shutting down the American economy for an unspecified period while unproven forms of energy are developed and the infrastructure for their use is put in place. Oh, and he is for 'change.'
So, Mink - without looking it up, what IS the Bush Doctrine? Can you articulate it? (it really isn't all that far from the Truman or Kennedy Doctrines now that I think about it.)
Come to think of it, what is the Obama Doctrine? How will it keep us safe? How will it meet our overseas obligations?
Hm...since this thread started with a piece about how leftist white women are scared of Palin, and can't relate to her, how is Barry a role model for white women? How can they relate to him?
Biden we already know about - a cynical career politician (talk about being out of touch - college, law school, then 36 years in the US Senate - yet he is supposedly in tune with the people. Yeah, right) who is beholden to special interests and knows how to work the system. How is he a role model for white women? How can they relate to him?
Oh, and what does cutting govt. funding to Special Olympics have to do with anything? Is there anything in the Constitution of the State of Alaska that empowers the State to pay for that? You are saying that she is bad for showing some fiscal responsibility? And for limiting the scope of government?
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 20, 2008 18:09:38 GMT -5
spoken like a typical white person.
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Post by Mink on Sept 20, 2008 20:33:19 GMT -5
subdjoe: "Hm...since this thread started with a piece about how leftist white women are scared of Palin, and can't relate to her, how is Barry a role model for white women? How can they relate to him? "
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You keep getting it wrong subdjoe, the women are pissed, not scared. Women can relate to Barry because he addresses the issues we face on a daily basis. pure & simple
subdjoe: "Biden we already know about - a cynical career politician (talk about being out of touch - college, law school, then 36 years in the US Senate - yet he is supposedly in tune with the people. Yeah, right) who is beholden to special interests and knows how to work the system. How is he a role model for white women? How can they relate to him?"
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For those who know Biden, they know he is a man who has been adament in speaking up during the last few years in respect to the war and its policies. He has just as much experience as mccain.
subdjoe: "Oh, and what does cutting govt. funding to Special Olympics have to do with anything? Is there anything in the Constitution of the State of Alaska that empowers the State to pay for that? You are saying that she is bad for showing some fiscal responsibility? And for limiting the scope of government?"
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I am saying that before she had Trig, she cut funding for Special Olympics in Alaska. Now that she has her child with special needs, all of a sudden, she will support programs for special needs children. There is no law saying it is bad, but it sure doesn't make her look good either. Why not help all children?
She is only for her own interests.
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Post by jgaffney on Sept 20, 2008 22:11:45 GMT -5
Subjoe, you left out the part where Obama, the candidate for "change" is so beholden to the pro-abortion crowd that, twice, he voted against the Born Alive bill, the bill that says that a baby that survives an abortion is to be given the same protection as any other human being. You also overlooked the part where Obama, the candidate for "change" ranks second-highest on the list of legislators who have received money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac during the period from 1989 to 2008, and Obama has only been in the Senate since 2005. You might also include a reference to my post under "The Case Against Barack Obama," where David Freddoso says, "If Barack Obama is a reformer, he could be the first one ever elected to be president of the United States having done almost nothing difficult in the name of change. Consider: What has he really changed? In a positive way?" Good question: What has Barack Obama really changed? Other than the Democrat Party, that is. |
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Post by Mink on Sept 20, 2008 22:17:44 GMT -5
Obama has changed Republicans. At first, the admin. wouldn't think about talks with Iran or any terrorists countries, nor would they think of pulling out of Iraq. Guess what has happened most recently? They took his idea, so now he can't change that, can he???
All of a sudden, mccain is about change. What is so ironic is, what is he changing? All he can change is Republican policies-heheee.
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Post by jgaffney on Sept 20, 2008 22:32:31 GMT -5
At first, the admin. wouldn't think about talks with Iran or any terrorists countries, nor would they think of pulling out of Iraq. Guess what has happened most recently? They took his idea, so now he can't change that, can he??? Bush has always said that, as the Iraqi Army stands up, we will stand down. Have you read the recent news reports, Mink, about the successes of the Iraqi army in battling the terrorists in Iraq? Don't Gen. Petraeus and the Surge get any credit at all from the Left? I guess if Obama claimed he could make the sun come up tomorrow, you'd give him credit for that, too??? |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 20, 2008 22:35:40 GMT -5
Ok! Getting back to the Morford article, you all should read the posts there. They're pretty varied in opinion, and fun to read. I enjoyed this tidbit:
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It had nothing to do with conservative "White" women.[/quote]
