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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 5, 2008 11:30:42 GMT -5
While this shouldn't come as any great surprise to anyone, we as a nation have allowed the leftists and progressives to swell the voter rolls with fraud.
The result will be an Obama presidency and stronger Democrat majorities in Congress at a moment in time where the very last thing this nation and it's economy need is the brand of Euro-socialism that they will force on us all.
And we've let it happen, with a big smile of bi-partisanship on our faces and welcome written across our collective backsides. They can't win on an argument of ideas, and have proven it time and again, so why not just cook the results to the desired outcome?
The rogering to come over the next few years is going to be very painful, and we aren't going to get kissed either.
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Post by ferrous on Oct 5, 2008 11:33:12 GMT -5
Damn, I really do liked to be kissed when I'm getting screwed.
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Post by mrbose on Oct 5, 2008 11:51:08 GMT -5
Boon for voter fraud, bust for democracy By DEROY MURDOCK GUEST COLUMNIST
Election Day? Who needs it?
Americans already are casting ballots, five weeks before Nov. 4. This is a boon for vote fraud and a bust for democracy. in Ohio, most dramatically, an individual can register to vote between Sept. 30 and Oct. 6, then immediately receive an absentee ballot. Existing and brand-new electors also can cast ballots at early-voting centers. This is a gourmet recipe for voter fraud. What if some new registrants turn out to be non-citizens? Or felons? Or gung-ho 16-year-olds who only look 18? No problem. Why, we'll just fish out their ballots from the pile. Uh-oh. The secret ballots all look alike and no longer can be tied to any given voter. Oops. In a close election, Ohio's 20 electoral votes could swing into John McCain's or Barack Obama's column based on the ballots of non-Ohioans, foreign citizens, felons, or even children. If, in a photo finish, the presidency hinges on such tainted Ohio votes, McCain or Obama could be inaugurated beneath a thundercloud. Fairly or not, cries of "Thief!" will haunt him wherever he goes. Not surprisingly, such grievances grind democracy down. So it goes when our leaders govern with the consent of those who never should have been asked. "Independent groups seeking to increase poor and minority participation also transported voters from places like homeless shelters, halfway houses, and soup kitchens," The Associated Press reported Wednesday. One hopes this population consists entirely of adult American citizens free of felony convictions.
vote fraud aside, early balloting assaults the notion of contemplative self-government. This is true in Ohio and the 30 other states that allow early voting at special polling sites and, more often, via no-questions-asked absentee ballots. Oregon, for its part, votes 100 percent by mail-in ballot.
At this writing, Ohioans already have voted for president even before Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin debated Democrat Joe Biden. Early voters decided before knowing whether Palin fell flat on her face or dazzled the nation with quick-wittedness. They voted without seeing whether Biden acted graciously or blew the whole thing sky-high by snapping, "Now wait one cotton-picking moment, little lady." Those who already have voted also did so without knowing anything about either of the two remaining McCain/Obama debates, or any of the other ideas, controversies, or triumphs that will arise before Nov. 4.
Some have said early voting is like several jurors announcing after two-thirds of a trial that they have heard enough evidence and are ready to convict -- never mind the remaining witnesses, closing arguments and hours of deliberation. As John Fund explains in "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy," some Americans who already had cast ballots for George W. Bush were disturbed to learn five days before the 2000 election that Bush had been arrested in 1976 for driving under the influence. "There was no way they could change their vote," Fund observed.
So, what is the massive hurry? Unless Americans are certifiably ill, incapacitated, or (to coin a word) absent on Election Day, they should vote neither absentee nor early. Citizens of this republic should view the debates; follow the candidates' speeches, watch commercials and interviews, and read news articles and opinion pieces. We should deliberate among our fellow citizens and meditate individually. And on Tuesday, Nov. 4, we should line up at local firehouses and elementary schools. Precinct by precinct, the American people will select the next President of the United States. This momentous occasion deserves sobriety and dignity, not civic slovenliness. Choosing the leader of the free world should not be the political equivalent of sitting at home in sweat pants and picking either the sweet & sour shrimp or General Tso's chicken. It is high time America took our ballots more seriously than Chinese takeout menus. Deroy Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University. E-mail him at deroy.Murdock@gmail.com
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Post by The New Guy on Oct 5, 2008 14:38:42 GMT -5
what's really shameful is that you can't get into Costco without showing your membership card but you can vote for prez without showing much of anything.
btw, i'll have the general's chicken, please.
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Post by Len on Oct 6, 2008 7:56:00 GMT -5
You know, you could always go to the county registrar and sign up to be a polling clerk. Will pay about $100 for sitting on your butt, which is real gov't in action. And if you wish to challenge someone regarding ID, then you are obliged to do so.
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Post by ferrous on Oct 6, 2008 8:43:35 GMT -5
Is Len suggesting that we start racial profiling voters coming in to register or vote? A couple of elections ago. I asked the polling clerk if I needed to show some type of identification to vote. He looked at me in a quizical way and simple stated that it wasn't necessary. Some legislative actions have been purposed to have voters supply proper identification when registering and voting, but I know of no new recent law that was enacted. www.moveon.org/ has an easy link to register to vote, the Rock the Vote site. Just click on "Register to Vote." the link page is both in English and Spanish. If you access the link, you will come down to where you type in your identification number. [Federal law requires that each state collects from registrant an identification number. If you have neither a driver’s license nor social security numbers, please indicate this on the form and a number will be assigned to you by your state. Instructions for California: When you register to vote you must provide your California driver’s license or California identification license number, if you have one. If you don’t have a California driver’s license of ID you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security Number (SSN). If you do not provide this information you will be required to provide identification when you vote.]
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 6, 2008 11:28:51 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point of the original post. The point is that the Left is already starting to build an alibi in case Obama loses on Nov. 4. The only way he could lose now is because of voter fraud, right? It couldn't be that the voters are finally starting to do the due diligence that the press largely ignored during the Democrat primaries.
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 6, 2008 13:39:39 GMT -5
They haven't if you believe the latest poll numbers released this morning. Rasmussen's "likely voter" 3 day rolling average has Obama at 53%.
It's going to be a hard, cold winter these next four years. A lot of people are going to be hurt by the coming next wave of socialism.
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Post by mrroqout on Oct 7, 2008 12:40:20 GMT -5
www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htmSounds shady at best... Snip- The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency. Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast. Homeless shelters, drug rehabs, and soup kitchens...
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 7, 2008 17:18:12 GMT -5
Remember in the 2004 election when the Dems screamed that Bush changed the votes in Ohio? Their whole basis for the claim was that the final results didn't match their exit polling. As if that was a scientific sampling. Well, it looks like ACORN got the jump on this election. No matter how fraudulent the results are, Obama will claim victory.
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 9, 2008 16:40:10 GMT -5
The reports on ACORN are starting to pour in: MISSOURI: Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.
Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.
CONNECTICUT: The State Elections Enforcement Commission has opened an investigation into allegations that a community activist organization submitted at least 10 false voter-registration cards in Bridgeport.
One of the phony registrations was for a 7-year-old girl in the Marina Village housing complex, whose age was listed as 27 on the voter card.
Another registration came from a man who later said he couldn’t have completed the voter card purported to be his because he was in jail on the date of the document.
Joseph J. Borges, the city’s Republican registrar of voters, filed the complaint with state officials after months of local complaints on the tactics that ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, was regularly filing applications that were ruled ineligible.
WISCONSIN: Milwaukee County prosecutors Tuesday charged a convicted felon with illegally registering himself and others to vote between his conviction and his sentencing.
The complaint accuses Adam Mucklin, 22, of registering to vote in June, after he was convicted of battery in April, and after a judge told him he couldn’t vote as a convicted felon. Later in June, Mucklin signed up to work as a paid voter registrar for the Community Voters Project, something else he couldn’t do as a convicted felon, the complaint says.
OHIO: The group blamed inefficiency and lack of resources for problems such as being unable to spot duplicate voter-registration cards or cards that may have been filled out by workers to make quotas.
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, has turned in at least 65,000 cards to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections in the last year. The board has investigated potentially fraudulent cards since August.
The group has faced similar inquiries in other large Ohio counties. And Nevada state authorities recently raided ACORN’s Las Vegas headquarters searching for evidence of fraud, according to the Associated Press.
Local representatives of the organization told Cuyahoga board members that they don’t have the resources to identify fraudulent cards turned in by paid canvassers who are told to register low- and moderate-income voters.
So, they have the resources to go out and get the fraudulent voter registrations, but they don't have the resources to check when the fraudulent registrations come back in. INDIANA: New voter registrations closed Monday in Lake County with possible record-breaking numbers and simmering allegations of fraud and racial discrimination.
Elections board Director Sally LaSota said more than 12,000 voter registration forms are waiting to be processed from recent days before the county knows how many potential voters are ready to cast ballots in the Nov. 4 general election.
“It may be a record,” she said.
Porter County has processed at least 3,500 voter applications since the spring primary in May, officials there said.
However, the large influx has brought new controversies.
LaSota said Monday representatives of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a grassroots activist group conducting registration drives, dropped off 2,000 new voter applications last week in Lake County.
“About 1,100 are no good,” she said.
INDIANAPOLIS: According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis 18 or over and thus eligible to vote. (Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).
So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!
Does ACORN have an office in Indianapolis? You betcha!According to SayAnything: If Obama wins, nothing more will be done abouut this. If McCain wins, they will be fighting about this until February.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 9, 2008 18:33:55 GMT -5
Gaff, they are just trying to make sure that those poor oppressed people are not disenfranchised. That is all.
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