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Post by bolverk on Oct 27, 2008 13:38:56 GMT -5
if america wants to remain a superpower we must continue to be different. we must continue to lead the rest of the world. we must continue to be that beacon of light and hope to people whoe under tyranny and oppression. we must continue to stand out from the crowd, not blend in with it. that's how we remain a superpower. ---- original thought from TNG It's a nice quote TNG, but a little outdated as we are in so much debt and dependent. Our best bet is to get along. In debt, dependent. I heard the same crap when Japan was investing heavily in the United States during the 80's. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. It is thinking like that which creates mediocrity. But Democrats are satisfied with being mediocre. |
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 27, 2008 13:43:24 GMT -5
Speaking of dealing with facts. Gaffney, I have acknowledged that Frank and Dodd carry a hugh responsibility, but Greenspan admitted that Frannie/Freddie weren't the only or only cause of the crisis and yet you ignored that fact and start pointing at Dems.
If, in fact, you admit that Frank and Dodd carry a hugh responsibility, do you also acknowledge that they sould not be given a pass on the current financial mess we are in, the proximate cause of which is the meltdown in the subprime mortgage market, a market that was aided and abetted by the actions of these two men? Why, then, does your candidate blame everything on "the failed economic policies of George W. Bush"? If Obama is such a charismatic leader, then can we look forward to his cleaning up the House and Senate and bringing these two men into the sunshine? |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 27, 2008 14:07:47 GMT -5
Speaking of dealing with facts. Gaffney, I have acknowledged that Frank and Dodd carry a hugh responsibility, but Greenspan admitted that Frannie/Freddie weren't the only or only cause of the crisis and yet you ignored that fact and start pointing at Dems. It is kind of hard not to point at Democrats. The top three cash recipents for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac donations were Democrats, Christopher Dodd, Barack Hussein Obama and John Kerry in that order. And Barack Hussein Obama is only in his first term as a Senator, yet is still the number two recipient of their money. You can not deny that. Also, a couple of years ago the Democrats had a big chance to prevent this whole issue, or to at least address it in serious manner. Yet, they selected to maintain the status quo, and you know that is the truth as well. So tell me, why wouldn't a truly concerned American point fingers at the Democrats, rather then putting politics above substance as you have. |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 27, 2008 14:09:39 GMT -5
Regarding Fannie/Freddie, did you see Greenspan and his cohorts admit they made mistakes or misjudged the lack of regulation. They don't hold Fannie/Freddie to blame totally for this mess as Republicans have been screaming about. This was just yesterday.
Now that Greenspan is out of office, isn't it convenient that Henry Waxman got him to fall on his sword. Waxman should have called Barney Frank, Chris Dodd or Maxine Waters to testify about their positions stated for the record at the 2004 hearing on the report of the Fannnie/Freddie regulators.Waxman can now claim that the case is closed, it's all Greenspan's fault, and Frank and Dodd avoid any responsiblity. Or, maybe we could talk about Obama's letter to the Treasury Secretary regarding Obama's insights into the subprime mortgage market. If Obama felt so strongly about the issue, why did he never dare to go up against the Democrat leadership and try to do something about it before it exploded? But, you never responded to my earlier claim, that Democrats like you were focusing on personal attacks against Joe the Plumber and this Canadian woman, rather than confronting the issues they have raised. And it seems that someone may well go to jail over the attacks on Joe the Plumber. His information was illegally obtained and leaked. Regardless of Obama's knowledge, it should be illegal to use illegally obtained information in a campaign. But Obama has no real respect for the rule of law, unless it is in his favor, then it is less respect and more tolerance. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 28, 2008 19:43:12 GMT -5
Speaking of dealing with facts. Gaffney, I have acknowledged that Frank and Dodd carry a hugh responsibility, but Greenspan admitted that Frannie/Freddie weren't the only or only cause of the crisis and yet you ignored that fact and start pointing at Dems.
If, in fact, you admit that Frank and Dodd carry a hugh responsibility, do you also acknowledge that they sould not be given a pass on the current financial mess we are in, the proximate cause of which is the meltdown in the subprime mortgage market, a market that was aided and abetted by the actions of these two men? Why, then, does your candidate blame everything on "the failed economic policies of George W. Bush"? If Obama is such a charismatic leader, then can we look forward to his cleaning up the House and Senate and bringing these two men into the sunshine? He better! We should expect nothing less and that goes for everything and everybody in Congress. They should be looking out for us. It won't be easy for Obama, if he wins because he is reaching across the aisle and at the same time, expected to represent his own party however, I'm suspecting there will be much give and take on both sides. |
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 29, 2008 0:23:39 GMT -5
He better! We should expect nothing less and that goes for everything and everybody in Congress. They should be looking out for us. It won't be easy for Obama, if he wins because he is reaching across the aisle and at the same time, expected to represent his own party however, I'm suspecting there will be much give and take on both sides.
Mink, please give us one instance in the past where Obama has confronted the Democrat leadership over a seniority issue and won. If Obama is elected, Pelosi and Reid will allow him to make his pretty speeches, but those two will run the Congress the way they see fit. If you think Obama will be able to march up to The Hill and demand that the Democrat leadership be shaken up just because he is now president, you are in for a big surprise. And, a big tax increase. |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 29, 2008 13:29:52 GMT -5
She can't. It never happened.
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Post by Mink on Oct 29, 2008 21:25:54 GMT -5
He better! We should expect nothing less and that goes for everything and everybody in Congress. They should be looking out for us. It won't be easy for Obama, if he wins because he is reaching across the aisle and at the same time, expected to represent his own party however, I'm suspecting there will be much give and take on both sides.
Mink, please give us one instance in the past where Obama has confronted the Democrat leadership over a seniority issue and won. If Obama is elected, Pelosi and Reid will allow him to make his pretty speeches, but those two will run the Congress the way they see fit. If you think Obama will be able to march up to The Hill and demand that the Democrat leadership be shaken up just because he is now president, you are in for a big surprise. And, a big tax increase. I choose to remain positive regarding an Obama victory regardless of Pelosi and Reed. What exactly are you afraid of? |
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Post by surefire on Oct 29, 2008 21:34:53 GMT -5
Mink, please give us one instance in the past where Obama has confronted the Democrat leadership over a seniority issue and won. If Obama is elected, Pelosi and Reid will allow him to make his pretty speeches, but those two will run the Congress the way they see fit. If you think Obama will be able to march up to The Hill and demand that the Democrat leadership be shaken up just because he is now president, you are in for a big surprise. And, a big tax increase. I choose to remain positive regarding an Obama victory regardless of Pelosi and Reed. What exactly are you afraid of? Subdjoe, Big Dog, and I have discussed the dangers of an Obama, Reed, and Pelosi regime ad nauseum . A super majority is never a good thing. Especially when all 3 checks and balances are run by extremists (from either the left or right). Pelosi, Reed, and Obama are about as extreme as one can get. Mark my words, this country is going to hell in the next 8 years.... the centrists (both left and right) will regret giving the radical left monopoly. I would make the same argument if we had 3 extreme right idiots about to establish a regime. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 29, 2008 21:53:45 GMT -5
I realize you three concur on such a majority, but I don't feel the same doom. In fact, they (politicians) have much to clean up after the outgoing president finishes his destruction of the country.
Edited to add: Doesn't it make you wonder how the Republicans got themselves into this predicament? I have no pity.
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Post by surefire on Oct 29, 2008 23:15:23 GMT -5
I realize you three concur on such a majority, but I don't feel the same doom. In fact, they (politicians) have much to clean up after the outgoing president finishes his destruction of the country. Can you say with a straight face that Shrub deserves 100 percent of the blame, and that the radical left running the house and senate are innocent? I personally believe the blame can be spread among many. That does NOT mean that I'm sticking up for the president. I consider our current president to be among one of the worst presidents of recent memory. |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 11:06:11 GMT -5
Mink, please give us one instance in the past where Obama has confronted the Democrat leadership over a seniority issue and won. If Obama is elected, Pelosi and Reid will allow him to make his pretty speeches, but those two will run the Congress the way they see fit. If you think Obama will be able to march up to The Hill and demand that the Democrat leadership be shaken up just because he is now president, you are in for a big surprise. And, a big tax increase. I choose to remain positive regarding an Obama victory regardless of Pelosi and Reed. What exactly are you afraid of? Higher taxes, less work and productivity. Exactly what the Democrats did to this country before Reagan made a very respectable tax system. Which Democrats broke. Democrats want your money. Why don't you just give it to them and leave me mine. |
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