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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jun 15, 2008 11:35:17 GMT -5
JMO, if you are legally able to purchase a firearm (see atf form 4473 www.atf.gov/forms/4473/index.htm). If a person qualifies with truthful answers, I see no reason to not allow that person to carry. Further, I would be leary of allowing him to own or drive a car, but that is just me. All the anti-civil rights laws are based on the a priori assumption that the gun owner will misuse the firearm. That is like making the assumption that everyone who drives is a chronic drunk driver. Read my sig line. Truthful answers huh? If we were going to allow more people the right to carry I would want more proof than that. The intention of my example of my son is that he has a long history of instability, Bi-Polar etc. (prior to his arrest), and I think if a person has any form of mental illness, or unstable behavior they shouldn't be allowed to carry, or drive. I did not sign for my son to drive while under my care, nor did I help him buy a car. I never thought he should be behind the wheel. I can think of many others in my life that should never have access to a firearm, and my fear is if more people had the right to own them, and the abundance of guns increased more crazies would have and use them impulsively. |
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 15, 2008 12:27:53 GMT -5
So, on the basis of your son, you would then disqualify the rest of the nation from exercise of their protected rights.
Your horror scenarios just don't play out, JMO. Take an honest look at the statistics. There are more firearms in private hands in the US now than ever before, yet criminal misuse of firearms is going down except in places like CA, NYC, Detroit, Chicago, DC - all places that make it as difficult as possible for the honest citizen to own a firearm (or in the case of Chicago, DC, and Detroit - virtually impossible) As I pointed out to Mink, I am a statistic myself - one of the hundreds of millions of citizens who have grown up around firearms and never misused them.
Here is something I lifted from another forum:
1. In America everyday someone is injured in an accident involving a knife...
2. In America everyday someone is robbed, raped or murdered by someone using a knife...
3. Mass murders have been committed by people using a knife...
4. People who are crazy should not be allowed to own a knife...
5. You don't need a knife to hunt deer...
Therefore, according to the truly stupid ill-logic that is the apex of modern liberal thought...that means it's the best "argument" they can come up with...kinves should be banned. (I did not change any of the wording)
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 15, 2008 12:38:24 GMT -5
OH, and yes, even one accidental death, or one death during the commission of a crime is tragic. But that goes for ANY means, not just firearms.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 15, 2008 12:39:07 GMT -5
There are a boatload of laws, state and federal, that regulate the lawful commerce of firearms. No firearm may be lawfully transferred in California without the facilitation of a licensed dealer, background check and a ten day wait between sale and delivery. It is already a felony for any person who has been adjudged mentally challenged, an addict or who has previously been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence to own or possess a firearm, it is also a felony to transfer a firearm to any such person.
The background checking system is being improved constantly, and involuntary mental committment have begun being databased as well as a bar to firearm ownership.
I don't want people who can not act responsibly to own or carry a firearm either..... just so that's clear. And there are systems in place to keep them from obtaining firearms through lawful means. If someone is stupid enough to loan their bi-polar friend a piece, knowing that person's history, then the deserve to go to jail for it.
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 16, 2008 0:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by crossride on Jun 16, 2008 9:52:15 GMT -5
www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_9599903?nclickHere is the real world for all the "gun control" folks out there. Real world, and not statistics plucked at random to support your position, if you can grasp that concept. If one of the witnesses had a gun, this child would be alive. No statistic can change that and I don't know what to think of anyone who would argue against private citizens being allowed to carry firearms after something like this happens. This life would have been worth the "risk" of legally arming the citizens. Don't you think?
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jun 16, 2008 10:38:15 GMT -5
To make my position even clearer:
When my son flipped out in Dec. I called him on his cell phone after we refused to let him in. While speaking with him he started to accuse me of trapping him in the conversation so that he would get arrested, like I was some sort of spy working for the police, and he proceeded to call me a mother-fe-r, and asked repeatedly what did I do with his parent since I was pretending to be his parent. He threatened to come back here to do bodily harm to this unknown person on the phone since I couldn't possibly be his parent. I hung up on him, dialed 911, woke up my spouse and said, ok, ready, here it comes:
"LOCK AND LOAD, we're in trouble here!"
So, please, don't try to stuff me in some stereotypical crazy-liberal box. I just don't want laws to be relaxed, I think it's important that we heavily screen those that want to own a gun.
For the record, my son was diagnosed while he was a minor, has never sought treatment as an adult, would that show up while applying for a license?
If the internet wasn't loaded full of nuts (not most of the regulars here) I would share a couple of personal stories, but I am not comfortable exposing anything too personal about myself, including the story I just shared.
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Post by heckheckle on Jun 16, 2008 17:07:56 GMT -5
I won't research this, as Statistics can be "Off" by as much as the author
wishes. Or by mistakes in any number of ways. I take statistics as being
an inexact science. In some cases it is used to Bolster an arguement, or to
Defeat it.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jun 17, 2008 1:15:37 GMT -5
crossride, I think shooting that creep was too civil. I think he should've been slowly stomped to the brink of death, and then thrown into the general prison population. What a despicable piece of garbage!
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