National Police Force

[bolverk]

Well, now that we are an Obamanation, or is that Obomination, what do you think about this quote, now that we have our new President Elect, Barack Hussein Obama:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

That really scares me. Kind of reminds me of "Heil, mein Führer!" They had a national police force as well. It was called the Geheime Staatspolizei (Secret State Police), or Gestapo for short, and it was instituted by a man named Hermann Göring, Hitler's designated successor and commander of the Luftwaffe.

[subdjoe]

One thing I find very confusing:

Barry has spent his entire political career pushing to disarm us all. Yeah, he says that he believes in a IRKBA but subject to "reasonable" restrictions (total ban). Now he is pushing for a "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." We have that already, leaving strategic weapons out of the mix.

Or we would if the progressives would stop trying to eliminate the BoR and the end runs around the 2nd Amendment. It is the militia. Not the arm of the US Army on loan to the states that goes by the name of National Guard, not the reserves. The militia made up of We the People. A few words from people who were there:

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
— Tench Coxe, 1788.

(note the phrase "and every other terrible implement of the soldier")

Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article [the Second Amendment] in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
COXE, TENCH, under pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian," Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?

HENRY, PATRICK, June 9, 1788, Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution

And now this "scholar", this man who taught the Constituion, wants to cast that all aside and create, quite without Constituional authority, a new national police force.

This harkens back to medieval times and the Jew laws of Spain, Italy, and Germany, when everyone was suspect, everyone was was afraid of being accused by a neighbor, or even stranger, of being a secret Jew. The accusation was enough, and all it took was something simple to be accused, not accepting a piece of pork, washing your self too frequently, maybe even lighting your lamps before sundown on Friday evening.

Now of course people will be turned in for smoking or driving without "need" (need defined by the State), muttering against affirmative action and other thought crimes.

Ah, yes. Change indeed.

[bolverk]

But it is all for the good of America...

[subdjoe]

Finally found the quote I was looking for:

I see...with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic...aided by a little sophistry on the words ‘general welfare,’ a right to do, not only the acts to effect that, which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think, or pretend will be for the general welfare.







JEFFERSON, THOMAS, Letter to W. B. Giles, 1825

[surefire]

This national police force idea is scary.

[ferrous]

Bolverk must be trying a bit to hard...

That line from a speech Obama gave in Colorado Springs on July 2, 2008 has been deleted from transcipts supplied to the media by the Denver Post and Wall Street Journal.

www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69784

[bolverk]

Actually, I got it from a Morning News show.

I believe you can see the video here.

[bolverk]

I can't see youtube from my pc, so tell me if you can see the video I posted.

[bolverk]

Or you could go to this link and pick your own source.

[JustMyOpinion]

I just watched the Youtube video, and I didn't once get the feeling that he wants a Hitleresque type of society. Where do you get that from? He is saying that more opportunities will be available for people to step up and help their communities in which ever way they choose, or not, to rebuild this country from the ground up. That is the message I hear, and I have pretty good listening abilities. I for one would volunteer to help children in need even more than I do now. I really believe one act of kindness lasts a lifetime especially for a child. You can change a path of a child by example.

I know some of you have children and I wonder if you see what I see. Many are tuned out to history, or the perils of others since they are living in a world of over indulgence, and need for little or nothing. They do not know hard times, and don't care either. Many children only want new video games where they can get lost in a virtual world that is often violent, and unrealistic. I also see children who are in daycare all day, swept up by their frazzled parents who race them home so they can do their 2 hours of homework in between dinner and bath. Poof! The day is gone, all are tired and no one is connected, but you can bet "Little Johnny" is inappropriately connecting while lost in his virtual world, or Little Jane is watching Hannah Montana, or Britney Spears and will do what ever it takes to emulate them instead of discovering their own individual identity, and beauty and will attach to the false identity only to discover they are still not happy.The old saying that children are our future is so true, and in many instances children are not getting quality family time, quality food (McDonald's is not quality), quality education, quality anything and they are often over indulged with toys to compensate for the lack of quality in their lives. They do not have compassion, they are narcissistic and want immediate gratification, actually immediate everything and if you can't afford it, charge it, that is how many are being raised. Values are lost in many American homes and if some program is developed to reeducate our children so that they are not made to feel like the center of the universe, and all things are earned, not owed to them maybe we can make a difference long term.

There, I feel better now!

Sorry Bolverk, I think your video had the reverse effect, well, at least for me.

[subdjoe]

JMO, read this again: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Can you honestly say, given his record, that he is NOT after some sort of Sturm Abteilung or American Protective League? And, given the way progressives tend to shout down and disrupt any opposition, I would expect it to be a combination of the SA and APL, with modern technology thrown in. Yes, he claims that it would be to spread his version of the American Dream. But we are talking about an extra-constitutional, government funded Work and Security Force AS POWERFUL AND AS STRONG AS THE MILITARY. He has NO authority to set up something like this. And, if McCain had won and was talking about setting up a National Civiliian Security Force, how much support would you give it? How about if PRESIDENT Bush had proposed it? Would you be gushing over it? Or would you be screaming about overstepping authority?

Remember the thread you started with the theme "gee, can't we move on and get along" and you commented that you wanted to scream because some of us were not getting your point? Well, I'm screaming now.

All the stuff you mentioned about "Little Johnny" are true. But they have nothing to do with the government. What you are talking about is 'parenting' which is NOT a function of the State. Kids can get involved through scouting, chuch groups, the Y, lord knows what else. There are plenty of ways for people to do what The Obama wants done without going beyond the Constitution and setting up yet another huge burrocracy (sic) costing half a billion bucks (or more) a year.

[bolverk]

Nov 12, 2008 14:48:13 GMT -5 JustMyOpinion said:

I just watched the Youtube video, and I didn't once get the feeling that he wants a Hitleresque type of society. Where do you get that from? He is saying that more opportunities will be available for people to step up and help their communities in which ever way they choose, or not, to rebuild this country from the ground up. That is the message I hear, and I have pretty good listening abilities. I for one would volunteer to help children in need even more than I do now. I really believe one act of kindness lasts a lifetime especially for a child. You can change a path of a child by example.

I know some of you have children and I wonder if you see what I see. Many are tuned out to history, or the perils of others since they are living in a world of over indulgence, and need for little or nothing. They do not know hard times, and don't care either. Many children only want new video games where they can get lost in a virtual world that is often violent, and unrealistic. I also see children who are in daycare all day, swept up by their frazzled parents who race them home so they can do their 2 hours of homework in between dinner and bath. Poof! The day is gone, all are tired and no one is connected, but you can bet "Little Johnny" is inappropriately connecting while lost in his virtual world, or Little Jane is watching Hannah Montana, or Britney Spears and will do what ever it takes to emulate them instead of discovering their own individual identity, and beauty and will attach to the false identity only to discover they are still not happy.The old saying that children are our future is so true, and in many instances children are not getting quality family time, quality food (McDonald's is not quality), quality education, quality anything and they are often over indulged with toys to compensate for the lack of quality in their lives. They do not have compassion, they are narcissistic and want immediate gratification, actually immediate everything and if you can't afford it, charge it, that is how many are being raised. Values are lost in many American homes and if some program is developed to reeducate our children so that they are not made to feel like the center of the universe, and all things are earned, not owed to them maybe we can make a difference long term.

There, I feel better now!

Sorry Bolverk, I think your video had the reverse effect, well, at least for me.

Feeling over substance. You are right, many are tuned out to history. Fortunately for me, Germany is where my mother is from, so I have a different perspective on the issue. I say you are tuned out to History. Hitler was legally voted into office, just like Barack Hussein Obama.

A national police force would be the final straw in the breaking of the founding principles of this country. Just because you are a left leaning socialist, who will not admit that fact, does not mean you are correct. There is zero good that has ever come from such a police or security force. It is the road to civil war.