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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 19, 2008 14:55:21 GMT -5
Obama carried a simple message of "Change from the Bush Administration" that resonated with the majority of Americans. It was a brilliant campaign. Oh yeah, change. Let's look at the change being proposed so far, largely in the form of Clinton era retreads and DNC level elite power brokers. ** Hillary Clinton being seriously considered for Secretary of State. ** Former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder, #2 man at Justice under Janet Reno in the Clinton Administration, being floated for Attorney General. Holder was the signoff at Justice for the Clinton pardon blizzard, including that of Marc Rich. ** Rahm "F**k the Republicans" Emanuel, former Clinton chief senior staff advisor, tapped as Obama's chief of staff ** John Podesta, former chief of staff to President Clinton, and former staff counsel to Tom Daschle when Daschle was Senate Majority Leader, he oversaw the massive flood of presidential pardons during the final days of the Clinton Administration. He is the co-chair of the transition and is being floated for White House counsel. ** Tom Daschle, former majority leader in the Senate and ultra high power inside the Beltway power broker at the law firm of Alston & Bird, to be the secretary of Health & Human Services which controls the largest single piece of the federal budget. He is also supposed to be the point man for Barack's health care initiatives. Oh yes, that's change. That's bringing in outsidersto shake things up and reform government. Thats bullshit. |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 19, 2008 15:00:25 GMT -5
You don't necessarily need outsiders to create change from the Bush Administration's policies. Most people were happy with the way the Clinton Administration handled things. It makes sense to bring people in who have experience during these critical times.
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 19, 2008 15:36:29 GMT -5
You don't necessarily need outsiders to create change ooooooweeeee! you got me roflmao now. the best way to bring change is to call up all the old clinton hacks. yeah, that makes sense. really? you, who are so fond of presidential approval rating must have overlooked all of clinton's scores. can't really argue much on this one. when your incoming president has ZERO experience of his own you definitely need someone there to help out. |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 19, 2008 15:47:18 GMT -5
Way to cut my sentence.
If you asked people on the street: Which Administration was better, Clinton or Bush? I'll bet 9 out of 10 would say Clinton. Care to disagree?
Obama has much more than Zero experience, however he doesn't have extensive experience. That's a large part of the reason he chose Joe Biden for VP. As I see it, he's doing a great job picking his cabinet thus far. The position of President is all about leadership. Obama is a leader, compared to Bush who was a clueless misleader.
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Post by jgaffney on Nov 19, 2008 16:16:28 GMT -5
Obama has much more than Zero experience, however he doesn't have extensive experience. That's a large part of the reason he chose Joe Biden for VP. As I see it, he's doing a great job picking his cabinet thus far. The position of President is all about leadership. Obama is a leader, compared to Bush who was a clueless misleader. For a guy that ran on a platform of "Change We Can Believe In," Obama is sure calling up a lot of Clintonistas to be in his government. Please explain how a "clueless misleader" could get a majority of the Senate, including a majority of Democrat Senators, to authorize military action in Iraq? |
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Post by mink2 on Nov 19, 2008 17:17:06 GMT -5
You don't necessarily need outsiders to create change from the Bush Administration's policies. Most people were happy with the way the Clinton Administration handled things. It makes sense to bring people in who have experience during these critical times. I agree with you saunterelle! I tlooks like a good team Obama is creating, not to mention that if they do get a filibuster/veto proof Congress, they are all aware and ready to be held accountable. Regarding Obama's brilliant campaign, he made it look easy even with mud-slinging from the Mccain campaign. If the Republicans are smart, they will foist Palin from the ranks. |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 19, 2008 17:27:54 GMT -5
Thanks Mink, good to see you posting again!
One word: FEAR
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Post by maxsawdust on Nov 19, 2008 18:18:20 GMT -5
First of all ANYONE who thinks the in the tank media didn't win this for him is HIGH as a KITE. Just ask Chris Matthews what "his JOB is".. to think he is alone is COMPLETELY INSANE. www.breitbart.tv/html/214673.htmlSo basically Saunterelle, Mink et al...will spend the next four years as Obamapologists. As a type of expert Obamaspeak linguists, taking time out to TELL US unwashed masses...what he REALLY meant.... He is already going back on nearly all of what he said during his "well run" campaign of bullshit and empty rhetoric. You now spin and twist in the wind, as things he said such as "wont be business as usual" turn out to be 100% bullshit. SO now you will pop in to tell me "well ..he meant"..You, as I have said before have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA nor does ANYONE ELSE but him and his keepers about his true intentions. His handlers made it that way on purpose voting "present" so NO ONE could track where he ACTUALLY STANDS on ANYTHING that matters. He said "Change" he did NOT quantify it as "Well I mean "Change" from the Bush Administration" .. He said "No business as usual"..it IS going to be business as usual..Just like under Clinton.. Long story short get used to four years of Obamapologists explaining to us what the English words he uses REALLY mean...in Obamaspeak... So at this point you are no better than Chris Matthews in that it is in your best interest to spin this as a success..No matter what happens. Just to keep the egg off of your face.. Saunterelle, Why was Bill Clinton FORCED to remove Rahm Emmanuel from his White House staff? |
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 19, 2008 18:20:46 GMT -5
I agree with you saunterelle! Now there's a newsflash... someone call the PeeDee and fax them a press release.  None of them were particularly accountable when they worked for Bill Clinton.... Mrs. Clinton especially so (think here on her work in complete secrecy Health Care Task Force), which gives a reasonable mind pause to consider that your statement is all wet. Which I am as well from having spit coffee all over myself when I read what you wrote. He made it look easy with utter incompetence from the McCain campaign. Helps when the media is in your pocket and looks the other way. Having said that, Obama's campaign was brilliant from a political point of view. He ran on no third term for Bush.... what he didn't tell us was that he was running for a third term for the Clinton machine. It feels to me like the quid pro quo for Hillary not staging what would have been a bitter, divisive and damaging fight for the nomination has been called in. |
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 19, 2008 22:19:35 GMT -5
was there something of import that i missed?
actually, i do. around here i would expect to get 10 out of 10. polling the nation as a whole i would expect to get a more equitable result.
in regards to obama creating the clinton 2.0 administration he is reinforcing the notion that he knows nothing of what he is doing. do you suppose barak himself is deciding on these nominations? ha ha. don't kid yourselves. he is being handled like a good little puppet on a string. he is just a component of the machine. nothing more.
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Post by jgaffney on Nov 20, 2008 12:45:46 GMT -5
Here's more information on the "Change" Obama is bringing to Washington: I don't think Obama is making these decisions. I think the Democrat insiders are allowing him to be the figurehead, but are running things the way they see fit. Keep an extra sharp eye on Rahm Emanuel.
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Post by maxsawdust on Nov 20, 2008 14:18:33 GMT -5
By lying like a lying dog politician as usual. www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-foreign-policy20-2008nov20,0,4430107.story Haaahahaa even the people that voted for him are ALREADY starting to wonder... SNIPPED: Reporting from Washington -- Antiwar groups and other liberal activists are increasingly concerned at signs that Barack Obama's national security team will be dominated by appointees who favored the Iraq invasion and hold hawkish views on other important foreign policy issues. |
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