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Post by subdjoe on Jun 2, 2008 14:46:43 GMT -5
Good question, Iraqvet. First, infrastructure - pull out Haliburton, Bectel and such as much as possible. Get Iraqi companies doing most of the work.
Second, security. Set up a Ft. Benning, or Camp LeJune style training system over there. Bring their military and poice forces up to speed, and instill in them the pride and professionalism that the US forces have. Let them know in no uncertain terms that they need to step up to the plate and take over soon. Maybe some sort of economic incentive can be used to spur them on.
Third, and most difficult, politics, and this ties in with security to some extent. Tell them they need to start behaving like a nation, not a bunch of tribal warlords manuevering for personal advantage. Yes, we will support them but they need to get on with it.
All that said, we need to remember that they are trying to build a brand new nation. Look at how long it took for the US to even come up with a constitution. And then the major changes that Lincoln forced on us during the Civil War.
The strong-arm government they were under for so long is gone, they have no real history for a united democratic republic of the kind we would like to see. And which we may never see. Millenia old cultural norms seem to indicate that they will not become a democratic repubic, but one never knows.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 2, 2008 18:14:37 GMT -5
and that is your opinion, isn't it. Opinion, no. A fact of life. We are all lumped in with the people we associate with. You just picked a group that hates this country as a free nation of free people.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 2, 2008 18:25:59 GMT -5
There is only one possible solution to this scenario, and we need to look to history for it. That solution is to sign a peace treaty with Iraq, and outline a time frame for their take over of the military duties. It should also outline contingency plans for helping them to abate terrorist activities and to hunt down insurgents and terrorists involved in activities within their borders. Arrangements should be made for a rapid deployment U.S. Military presence, as well as continued training for their troops.
Also, we should focus heavily on helping them to rebuild infrastructure. Along with education, and job creation opportunities. We have a unique opportunity to create a second non-secular government in the middle east, we should not pass it up. And, we should help them in every way we can, so that we have future friends, rather then wary people like we encountered in Afghanistan, when we listened to the voices who scream so loudly now. We were lucky to be able to go in and take out as much of al-qaeda as we did and win over the Afghan people again. And it was not the liberal voice that did it either.
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Post by iraqvet2003 on Jun 4, 2008 8:02:29 GMT -5
Thanks for all the intelligent answers!
I don't have a good one yet. My thoughts are all over the place.
I'll try to put something together by the weekend.
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 5, 2008 0:10:46 GMT -5
i support a more "patton-esque" approach. keep pushing 'til we vanquish the enemy and continue to train iraqi troops. they actually are getting better. i'm sure they have learned some valuable lessons from american GI's about honor, committment, integrity, etc.
stay the course and finish the job. pulling out equals surrender.
btw saunterelle, thanks for the rehash of obama's blueprint for america pipedream.
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