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Post by jgaffney on Jul 20, 2008 20:04:37 GMT -5
Saunterelle sez...
Saunterelle, how are you coming on that CNG Honda? Or, are you ducking the question?
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 20, 2008 20:23:30 GMT -5
Saunterlle wrote: "I do care how much fuel people use because I believe it contributes to climate change which directly affect me. "
Yes you choose to BELIEVE that. No matter that the real jury is still out on that. But you choose to belive the Gospel according to Al. It amazes me how much policy is being set by the snake oil sellers. And Al boy is getting rich trading carbon credits with himself.
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Post by The New Guy on Jul 20, 2008 23:06:35 GMT -5
speaking of the "gas bag" himself, al gore invites everyone to ride bikes and walk while he flies in on his gulfstream jet and travelling in his SUV's and limos.
"sacrafice for thee but not for me"
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Post by bolverk on Jul 21, 2008 14:31:55 GMT -5
This post really belongs here:
Yes, 300 miles to a place without a plug. A fuel efficient automobile has about 175 more miles it can travel on a single tank. There are more locations to fill up. You don't have to throw away batteries by going to a recycling location, or have anyone pick them up.
Electric cars have been around as long as fuel powered cars. Fuel is more economical to use, or was with the discovery of oil. Zap, the leader in electric vehicles right now, can only reach 100+ miles on a charge. It is a two seater. It costs $32,000 dollars. The Zap-X, a true passenger car that seats four, costs $60,000, more then twice the cost of a four cylinder Honda Accord that scores a 90% of the global warming scale. But, the Zap-X is not available for another two years.
The Xebra Electric Sedan, it only goes 25 miles on a charge. It seats four, and can not go faster then 40 mph. In other words, it will take forever to get anywhere.
Their electric truck looks like something out of Korea in design. Like the surplus vehicle you see in the Philippines. But, it only handles a 770 lb payload. Probably why it only costs $14,950, because it won't replace anything.
The EV1, which everyone talks about in conspiracy theory tones, was a failure for one primary reason alone. Poor battery technology, a problem that continues today, though improvements have been made. The EV1 proved electric cars are viable, even though it had 16 thermal incidents with one vehicle destroyed in fire that began at the charging port.
Electric cars will not be viable until you have a safe method of transferring energy to a battery without the possibility of fire. The heat transfer from batteries is rather high, which is why electric cars require thermal glass. The potential from problems and lawsuits are tremendous. Yet, you would have us believe that electric cars are ready for the road today. Truly pie in the sky hopes.
Electric cars would be great if, they could accelerate like a fuel powered car, get the same distance on a single charge, the batteries were small enough not to take up a massive amount of room in the car, gave us the same flexibility for usage as our fuel powered vehicles and we did not have to discard or recycle the batteries.
After the research fixes all the above problems, before marketing the vehicle and opening up companies to potential lawsuits from God knows what, then the electric car would be viable. However, I believe that hydrogen powered vehicles will displace the electric car, because water is the most abundant resource on this planet. Honda already has theirs on the market, well ahead of any viable electric car alternative. And it only emits water vapor.
Stick that in your tank and burn it.
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Post by saunterelle on Jul 21, 2008 16:13:49 GMT -5
Google is working on it. To show how wrong you are on many of your points, I give you Tesla: www.teslamotors.com/ If America's major car companies got involved we could most certainly build cost efficient electric cars. |
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Post by harpman1 on Jul 21, 2008 16:22:39 GMT -5
Name the entity spending more on electric car R&D than U.S. automakers.
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Post by bolverk on Jul 21, 2008 16:29:34 GMT -5
Google is working on it. To show how wrong you are on many of your points, I give you Tesla: www.teslamotors.com/ If America's major car companies got involved we could most certainly build cost efficient electric cars. And I give you a car that can travel 285 miles on a single gallon of fuel. Way more efficient then anything else. Volkswagen Carbon Fiber Car |
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Post by bolverk on Jul 21, 2008 16:34:20 GMT -5
Google is working on it. To show how wrong you are on many of your points, I give you Tesla: www.teslamotors.com/ If America's major car companies got involved we could most certainly build cost efficient electric cars. You forgot that it has a $80,000 to $100,000 $109,000 sticker price. And, it only seats two, and goes 250 miles top, before requiring a charge. Where am I supposed to put my fishing poles? Tackle? My float tube? How about the other two or three people I fish with? Are you beginning to get the picture now? |
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Post by bolverk on Jul 21, 2008 16:38:33 GMT -5
And, by the way, google did work on it, and the most efficient electric car company right now is Zap.
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Post by bolverk on Jul 21, 2008 16:56:14 GMT -5
You see saunterelle, you are a pure socialist at heart. Personally, I have zero use for socialists, especially those who want to vote away my rights and force me to capitulate. I won't.
You, in your heart of hearts believe everyone should be forced to drive expensive cars, regardless of any choices people want to make. There is only one time in your entire political spectrum and belief system you think a citizen should be allowed to make a choice, and that is when she is pregnant.
You believe I should have to pay 10 times what I paid for my last car, and that I should immediately consider that a solution to all of our environmental problems. Well, it ain't that simple, no matter what you and Al Gore say. Right now, I can drive more then 425 miles on a single tank of gas, and still have a quarter tank left. Plus, I can go up and down hills, and load up my vehicle and the weight will not effect me that much. That can not yet be said of electric vehicles either.
First, and foremost, a viable product must be made. One that serves all of my current needs. I don't want one vehicle to drive to work in and one to go fishing in and one to do a dump run in. I want all in one, which is why I have a four cylinder van. Excellent fuel mileage, plenty of room and versatility. Something not available in an electric vehicle, and won't be for some time yet.
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Post by saunterelle on Jul 21, 2008 17:00:18 GMT -5
That's exactly why we need to put more money toward R&D for alternative fuels. We can all agree that it is in America's best interest to break our dependence on oil so what's wrong with everyone pitching in (taxes)? We all benefit.
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Post by jgaffney on Jul 21, 2008 17:04:10 GMT -5
Saunterelle, you talk the talk, but I have yet to see you walk the walk. You could buy a CNG Honda Civic today for $25,000 - have you? Or, do you expect the rest of us to spend the money to swap out our cars so that you can buy cheaper gas?
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