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Post by The New Guy on Dec 3, 2008 14:18:33 GMT -5
ooooooooooowwwwhhhheeeeeee!!!! now that's a funny one, santurelle.
there's a place for you at open-mike night. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 3, 2008 14:19:38 GMT -5
JMO, Surefire, and Mink are more center than I am... This puts me squarely in the center.
this doesn't add up.
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 3, 2008 14:42:40 GMT -5
satnrelle said, "Is that why you think everyone should be allowed to own automatic weapons and carry them wherever they go? Even to Toys R Us? www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/28/national/main4637468.shtml " perhaps you missed this paragraph (it was right at the top): The councilman says his question is: who takes a loaded gun into a toy store. And his answer is: "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper." Authorities are still investigating but indicate the shooting may have been gang related. these were NOT law abiding gun owners. these were likely gang bangers who were not legal gun owners. this could've happened anywhere. besides i don't think there was a sign out front of toys r us saying welcome, come on in and bring some firearms with you! try reading beyond the headline of a story once in a while. it helps. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 3, 2008 14:42:55 GMT -5
I think Saunterelle is operating on The BigDog's postulate of political negotiating. That is that in negotiation the two parties start at opposite ends and meet in the middle. But what we have seen in this state and this nation is a progression of Democrats starting on the left and Republicans starting in the center, rather than on the right.... which puts the middle ground, where?  |
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Post by moondog on Dec 3, 2008 14:50:33 GMT -5
Someone please define center for me. Are we talking about the center where it has been pushed to with the current president? Or the center between blue dogs and neocons? Or the center between RINOs and Progressives? Well, the way I see it "I'm" in the center. YOU are a right wing reactionary. Saunterelle is a left wing commie radical. Got it now? ;D  Ok, it is all clear to me now. |
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Post by surefire on Dec 3, 2008 20:30:25 GMT -5
Well, the way I see it "I'm" in the center. YOU are a right wing reactionary. Saunterelle is a left wing commie radical. Got it now? ;D You're in the center? Is that why you think everyone should be allowed to own automatic weapons and carry them wherever they go? Even to Toys R Us? www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/28/national/main4637468.shtml Actually, I'm much more center than most of you who post here. However, JMO, Surefire, and Mink are more center than I am. Obama was elected by the majority of Americans. He and I see eye to eye on most issues. This puts me squarely in the center. I'm right of center. To some degree. But I align myself more with the Libertarians than the Republicans. I'm a registered Libertarian and voted for Bob Barr. I place value in individual rights, even those I personally don't agree with--so I do sometimes side with the left on some issues. As everyone knows, on the 2nd admendment issue, I can be described as extreme right (although almost every other issue balances this out and moves me towards the center). I think JMO is the closest on this board to being in the center, with Subdjoe and myself being a little right of center. |
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 3, 2008 21:03:04 GMT -5
Well, the way I see it "I'm" in the center. YOU are a right wing reactionary. Saunterelle is a left wing commie radical. Got it now? ;D You're in the center? Is that why you think everyone should be allowed to own automatic weapons and carry them wherever they go? Even to Toys R Us? www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/28/national/main4637468.shtml Actually, I'm much more center than most of you who post here. However, JMO, Surefire, and Mink are more center than I am. Obama was elected by the majority of Americans. He and I see eye to eye on most issues. This puts me squarely in the center. Nope, I never said that EVERYBODY should be allowed to own and carry full auto firearms. I havn't even said that everybody should be allowed to own firearms period. What I have, and do, advocate is that law abiding citizens should be allowed to exercise their constitutionally protected civil rights. You obviously have a problem with people exercising their rights. And with reading comprehension. What does that story have to do with my political position? Or with full auto firearms for that matter? It doesn't mention full auto fire. And, given the sensationalism driven media, it would have been in 144 point font across every front page if there had been. What other reports show about that incident is that there were groups from two rival gangs there at the same time. But, I guess you think that restricting my access to firearms of my choice would have prevented the gang bangers from illegally getting their guns. And The Obama was not elected by a majority of Americans. Our turn out was a pitiful 62%, of that about 52.8% voted for The Obama. So roughly a third of the electorate voted for him. If you take those those who didn't bother to vote as not wanting The Obama in office, then about 2/3 (66.7%)of the electorate didn't want him to be president. (it also means that about 73% didn't want McCain in office either). So, sorry, The Obama didn't get a majority. |
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 3, 2008 21:21:28 GMT -5
Surefire, on the Political Compass test www.politicalcompass.org/test I usually come up two or three clicks right and a click or two down. Pretty much socially I don't give a damn how does what to whom behind closed doors as long as they are over the age of consent and consenting. I don't think the color of skin should matter, nor should beliefs. I don't force my faith on anyone, but I expect to be free to exercise it as I see fit. You don't have a right to tell me I may not pray in public. I don't want to have to subsidise other religions through colleges or parks and rec departments either. Pretty much, if someone isn't infringing on the rights of another the State has no business telling them what to do. And there no right to not feel offended or not feel scared just because you see something you don't like. I think we have a moral duty to help those in need, but for those who are able bodied there should be a limit to how long they can be on public assistance. Those who are disabled and unable to work should be able to expect some sort of long term support. |
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Post by surefire on Dec 3, 2008 21:23:42 GMT -5
Surefire, on the Political Compass test www.politicalcompass.org/test I usually come up two or three clicks right and a click or two down. Pretty much socially I don't give a damn how does what to whom behind closed doors as long as they are over the age of consent and consenting. I don't think the color of skin should matter, nor should beliefs. I don't force my faith on anyone, but I expect to be free to exercise it as I see fit. You don't have a right to tell me I may not pray in public. I don't want to have to subsidise other religions through colleges or parks and rec departments either. Pretty much, if someone isn't infringing on the rights of another the State has no business telling them what to do. And there no right to not feel offended or not feel scared just because you see something you don't like. I think we have a moral duty to help those in need, but for those who are able bodied there should be a limit to how long they can be on public assistance. Those who are disabled and unable to work should be able to expect some sort of long term support. I'm in agreement on these issues. |
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