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Post by anonymousperson on Dec 8, 2008 20:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 9, 2008 0:02:58 GMT -5
Being followed, not chased. There is a bit of a difference. Seems like he was bent on killing himself.
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Post by saunterelle on Dec 9, 2008 8:19:56 GMT -5
I find it strange you would assume he's an illegal alien  . Maybe you missed it but the article you linked to now states him name, Jeffrey W. Hathaway, 37. Sometimes they wait to publish the name until they can notify family. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 9, 2008 12:10:27 GMT -5
While I will be one of the first to point out how the invasion of illegal immigrants is tearing the foundations out from under our social and economic systems, I get pretty sick and tired of each new article in the PeeDee being associated with illegals without the merest scrap of proof that such is the case.
That kind of drumbeating has no place in a civilized society.
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Post by anonymousperson on Dec 10, 2008 17:28:31 GMT -5
Why not BD? Almost all the crime in Sonoma County, specifically, Petaluma/Santa Rosa area is done by illegals. What's your issue with it? That's the reality of life in California.
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Post by saunterelle on Dec 10, 2008 18:23:34 GMT -5
Why not BD? Almost all the crime in Sonoma County, specifically, Petaluma/Santa Rosa area is done by illegals. What's your issue with it? That's the reality of life in California. Sorry but you are an ignorant fool. |
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Post by anonymousperson on Dec 10, 2008 19:58:57 GMT -5
More like you're a libtard and an idiot. "• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico." morganwrites.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/the-illegal-alien-crime-wave/Whatsamatter saunterelle, you can't clean up your own home? You have to hire illegals for your nannies? You're nothing but a pathetic idiotic libtard. And yes, you started the name calling, f*** you a**hole. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 10, 2008 20:35:27 GMT -5
Why not BD? Almost all the crime in Sonoma County, specifically, Petaluma/Santa Rosa area is done by illegals. What's your issue with it? That's the reality of life in California. As to the reality of life in California, well yes and no. Yes a good many crimes are committed by illegal immigrants and there are bunches of them in prison across the state. However the below would kind of shoot holes in your statement. Link to source document.While 38% of prisoners are Latino, only 17% of the total population is foreign born, hence potentially an illegal immigrant. If you have more specific data, aside from what is reported in the PeeDee then bring it. Having said that, and to further the discussion, from five minutes of research I can tell you that in yesterday's SCSD activity report on line I see four arrestees listed across 13 pages of activity. Three, from one drug arrest activity, clearly have Anglo names. The fourth has a Hispanic surname, but its a female and she could merely be married to a Hispanic, particular if one wants to judge by the clearly Anglo first name. For two days ago, the count is five Anglo names arrested, zero Hispanic names. For three days ago the count is three Anglo names arrested, one that might or might not be Hispanic and one juvenile with no name. Now while that data is only for the sheriff's office, and is only for three days, it does present a slightly different picture than your pre-conceived notion. Unless of course you are out there in it every night on the street and are seeing something I am not? At this point, allow me a short story. I'm a white guy, a paddy if ever there was one. Many years ago I was working as a LEO in Bay Area town. On the day in question I was the watch commander and was sent to back up two of my officers, both black, on a domestic beef. One of the officers is actually a very good friend of mine over many, many years. On arrival they had the parties seperated and asked me to wait with the male half while they assessed the female for injury and got her story. The plan was that they would assess the male half next... ladies first you could say. The guy was a transplant from the deep south and after a moment, in his deep southern accent, he asked me if I was in charge. When I said I was the watch commander, he asked me to go tell those two "n-words" to forget about it and let him settle things with his wife. I patiently explained to him that he was in California now, not Alabama or where ever, and if he was really nice and apologized to me I wouldn't walk over and tell the two officers what he said and then leave. Didn't have another lick of trouble with him, and I can only wonder why. Now, and you can call me crazy, I find a lot of the incessant harping about illegals in the PeeDee forums, especially when it is not clear from what has been reported in the news story that the suspects are or were illegals, to be ignorant, racist, jingoistic and xenophobic all rolled up together. It's judgement without evidence, based on fear (I think) more than anything else, and that is never a recipe for success in any society. To tie it all back together, the now proven to be a white guy whose death was reported in the original article was suicidal. He was not being chased, but followed by CHP who had tried to contact him based on a report from his girlfriend that he was suicidal. He found a cliff and drove off it. I know a couple guys who had to watch people do themselves in while in the course and scope of their duty and I can tell you that it's one of the most haunting things any LEO could ever be part of. So how about a little compassion for this guy, his family and the people who had to, by chance or by duty. watch him pass gas on himself Is there a problem with illegals in this country committing crimes? Yes. Should we do something more than we are doing now about it? Absolutely. But broad brush attacks that make us all look like crackers are not a solution. That's all I'll say. If you want to insult me, go ahead. I've heard it all before. |
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Post by anonymousperson on Dec 10, 2008 20:45:40 GMT -5
BD, well, first of all, thank you for your service as an officer.
Very interesting document! It says that most prisoners are non-white (huge margin), and that most are AA's and L's. It does not say that most of those L's are illegals, but I'm willing to bet that MANY or MOST of those L's are/were anchor babies.
I don't have the stats on that, but I believe that Michelle Malkin does. BTW, do you call Michelle Malkin jingoistic and racist? Or Michael Savage? One is Jewish, and one is Asian, and I am on their side about these issues.
The fact remains that most of the crime in Sonoma County is NOT done by caucasians. That's just a fact. Just like in SF, where I used to live, non-whites commit the most amount of crimes, and that's a problem, especially violent crimes.
Is it racist to point this out? No. It's a fact.
And therein lies the problem with the illegals in our midst. Political correctness prevents the PD from pointing out the race of any non-white people committing crimes, and they will even hide their name and ethnicity. If a caucasian committed a crime they will always print their name and pic.
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 10, 2008 21:22:14 GMT -5
Michelle Malkin is an insightful and often quite illuminating pundit. Michael Savage is an entertainer, regardless of his education. Savage is doing schtick, just like every other radio talk show host in every other format know. Neither of which has anything to do with anything on point in this discussion. Okay, what is your source for "most of the crime in Sonoma County is NOT done by caucasians"? Please illuminate. Especially since I was able to prove, at least for a three day snapshot of time, that such is not the case. As to San Francisco, whats the point. We've already established (and I can garner plenty more sources if you like) that non-whites commit crime and in particular violent crime in larger numbers than whites. That would especially be true in San Francisco (where I once worked) where non-whites outnumber whites in the population base and the whites are (largely) middle to upper income folks who don't commit any crime more violent than a traffic infraction, generally speaking. I'm not saying that presenting fact is racist. Jumping to a conclusions, as you did in your opening post, on far less than a full set of facts can be, and in some cases is, racist. Let's analyze... You asserted or inferred in your opening post: a) A crime was committed b) The police were pursuing c) That an illegal was involved You knew all that, how? The straight of the matter was: A) The guy was suicidal B) The police were not in pursuit C) The guy was white Therein lies the problem with getting all your exercise by jumping to conclusions.  As was noted above, the press can not report names that they don't know. The coroner can not, in good conscience, release any identifying information until the family has been notified. Newspapers operate on deadlines and while we are in the instant information age I sincerely doubt that the cash strapped PeeDee (a New York Times newspaper) has the resources to have reporters following up stories constantly and updating the web site by the minute. You report the basics of the story and follow up when more facts are known. That is what they do. If you want more details quicker I could suggest that you go out and report the news yourself. Maybe it'd be an opportunity to be SoCo's Matt Drudge. In the meantime you ought to consider that life in the local news business doesn't move as fast as you might like it, and that it might be less troubling to let the information percolate out before concluding something based on your own pre-conceived notions of "how things are". |
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Post by anonymousperson on Dec 10, 2008 21:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mink on Dec 10, 2008 21:58:05 GMT -5
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. Maybe you missed it but the article you linked to now states him name, Jeffrey W. Hathaway, 37. Sometimes they wait to publish the name until they can notify family. 
