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Post by subdjoe on Dec 10, 2008 22:37:59 GMT -5
Well done, Big Dog.
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Post by saunterelle on Dec 11, 2008 11:34:21 GMT -5
Big Dog, thank you for taking the time to bring some civility, logic, and reason to this thread. We may not see eye to eye on most issues but I sure as hell respect your opinion and your approach to forming it.
I think anonymousperson's problem is that he/she takes Mike (Savage) Weiner's word as gospel. Like you said, the man is an entertainer. His method for success is to stir up people who are already bitter and displeased with life by give them something to blame their troubles on. Illegal immigrants and the Islamic faith just happen to receive the brunt of his blame for the problems in America.
Is illegal immigration a problem in America? Yes it is. Are all illegal immigrants bad people? No they're not. We've basically had open borders throughout the Bush administration. If you're really up in arms about illegal immigration petition your government to do more to strengthen our border so we're not giving them an open invitation to come over.
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 11, 2008 12:07:42 GMT -5
I see that you agree with the ACLU. Sad. What is sad is that you need to get your eyes checked but you have cloaked yourself so deeply in whatever it is you believe in that you can't recognize it for the bullshit that it is, nor how poorly it portrays both you and your intellect. If this weren't so pathetic I'd be laughing myself stupid over that last line. But let me take just a moment to set you straight. For the record I've been registered as a Republican since I first became eligible to vote and I've never once missed an election in the thirty plus years I've had the franchise. The only Republican I didn't vote for president was Ronald Reagan in 1980. I thought I knew everything and could change the world so I voted for John Anderson the independent. The Democrat party, as it currently exists, stands for socialism, statism, and the expansion of government control over all levels of our lives. Unfortunately the leadership of the Republican party over the past few years has stood for pretty much the same thing. I believe in low taxes, free markets, less government and closed borders. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of propaganda driven mobs. I believe that our system of laws and politics, while sometimes deeply flawed, is still the best system in the world. If you have a better idea then bring it. The long and the short of it is, again, you don't have the first damned clue what you are talking about. As concerns me, as concerns the law and the administration of justice, as concerns the standards and practices of journalism, or as concerns illegal immigration. You have latched onto those key pieces of a much larger picture that fit into your narrow perspective. While that is your right as a free living human being, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are actually correct about any of it. So take your petty, agenda driven insults, which are not based in fact in any way, and stick them in your ass. I'm sure that they'll help keep you warm on these cold winter nights. If you'd like to debate the issues, then I'm game. If you want to pee your foul, jingoistic drivel around like a skunk in flight, then I'm not interested. |
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 11, 2008 15:58:44 GMT -5
"And yes, you started the name calling, f*** you a**hole. "
this belongs at the PD, not here. consider this the first/last warning.
while we sometimes can get a little miffed at what others say in these threads we also need to mind our manners. thanks.
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Post by moondog on Dec 29, 2008 13:48:39 GMT -5
While I will be one of the first to point out how the invasion of illegal immigrants is tearing the foundations out from under our social and economic systems, I get pretty sick and tired of each new article in the PeeDee being associated with illegals without the merest scrap of proof that such is the case. That kind of drumbeating has no place in a civilized society. I agree, though it is the bleeding hearts that fail to protect the interests of their constituents who are to blame for both sides of the issue. |
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Post by moondog on Dec 29, 2008 14:05:24 GMT -5
Big Dog, thank you for taking the time to bring some civility, logic, and reason to this thread. We may not see eye to eye on most issues but I sure as hell respect your opinion and your approach to forming it. I think anonymousperson's problem is that he/she takes Mike (Savage) Weiner's word as gospel. Like you said, the man is an entertainer. His method for success is to stir up people who are already bitter and displeased with life by give them something to blame their troubles on. Illegal immigrants and the Islamic faith just happen to receive the brunt of his blame for the problems in America. Is illegal immigration a problem in America? Yes it is. Are all illegal immigrants bad people? No they're not. We've basically had open borders throughout the Bush administration. If you're really up in arms about illegal immigration petition your government to do more to strengthen our border so we're not giving them an open invitation to come over. You exacerbate the problems with your posts. Statements like this, I think anonymousperson's problem is that he/she takes Mike (Savage) Weiner's word as gospel are wrong. And reveal to me that you really do not believe in free speech or expression. I would even go as far to say that you fear the other sides opinions so much that you would back the fairness doctrine. In fact, I would be willing to bet you have never put any time into listening to the show Michael Savage puts on. As for me, I have listened to the Lion on the Left a lot. I have spent many hours listening to the failed liberal radio programs that were really nothing more then progressives blaming people for thinking for themselves. I even spent time listening to Moonbeams radio program, while it was on. Michael Savage has out lasted all of them. Why do you think that is? If the whole United States is about Change, why is Michael still so popular? I will tell you why, because his stories about his life are real. He was you when he started out, a liberal, progressive social worker in New York City. And, like he said, he got tired of working his butt off to give money to people who did not work but still had more belongings then he did. His description is a perfect example of the world you would create. But, he is popular because he has real world experiences that relate to people. Liberals can't relate to people, it is nearly impossible. Why is that? Because for them it is all about feeling and fairness, not substance. Liberals feel good because they pay taxes that help people and fairness by making the rate high. Never mind that people got more, better and greater efficiency in the help they received before the Federal Government started getting involved with helping in 1932 and after. Gee, I wonder what party was responsible for making that decision. I will give you two guesses and Republican does not count. So, say what you like. Make your snap judgments and generalizations about a show you have not spent any amount of time hearing. Michael is indeed abrasive. Michael at times is over the top. However, most of his observations about Border, Language and Culture are right on the mark. |
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Post by moondog on Dec 29, 2008 14:27:40 GMT -5
And I want to say this about illegals.
First, they are criminals, like it or not. They steal prosperity by putting downward pressure on wages. They steal opportunity by taking the jobs that were entry level jobs when we were kids and their service still sucks. They steal the education of our young by hampering classrooms progression rather then being forced into English immersion. They steal our health by getting free treatment, just look at the free dialysis California gives away, millions of dollars every year.
So, to poo poo the problem is wrong. To blame anonymousperson for his attitude is wrong, because his attitude is the fault of every progressive that gave the illegals the opportunity to storm our borders. The attitude of anonymousperson is a reflection of the frustration of people who have had their way of life altered by a progressive idea of non-cooperation with immigration officials. In fact, I would go as far as to say that those responsible have cultivated the attitude of the anonymouspersons throughout this state and country in order to drive a wedge between us all. The very fact that we have more then 12 million illegals in this country shows just how vulnerable we really are to those who have hostile intentions against us. Yet here I see nothing but petty bickering over the issue.
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