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Post by subdjoe on Jun 15, 2008 19:15:08 GMT -5
Time to start a new thread to keep from confusing the issues.
Mink seems to think that half the state budget isn't enough for the schools and wants to keep throwing money into the hole.
When did the schools start going down hill? Not as some would have us believe with Prop 13. It was when they started to require teaching in 80 languages, permanant placement in ESL classes K-12, revisionist history classes, and a whole slew of ethnic and diversity requirements. All those things take money and other resources from the core classes.
Maybe rather than just dumping more and more money into the system, we should dial back on using the schools as engines of social change (or should that be socialist change?) and get them back into doing the job of teaching the basics.
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Post by Mink on Jun 15, 2008 23:10:36 GMT -5
If you are veering to "socialist" change regarding schools, this would include the country and not just the state, correct?
As for the programs in question, that should be reviewed as well as the yacht issue.
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 15, 2008 23:57:54 GMT -5
LOL, we will make a moderate of you yet, Mink!
Yes, not just CA, although CA is one of the worst for the socialist engineering, but the other states as well. I'm not going to get into whether or not the Feds should be involved in the education industry.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 20, 2008 14:00:06 GMT -5
There used to be a time in this country when teachers were well paid. Then the government got more involved.
Education is important, but not socialist education. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic are what is important. Along with Science, Biology and History, real history, not the revisionist history.
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Post by nufsaid on Jun 20, 2008 15:10:19 GMT -5
Now don't all throw eggs at once. I don't want to seem like the PD forum where nearly every subject gets twisted into an illegal immigration debate. However I am wondering if anyone has any reliable stats on funds used for ESL classes,rises in class size ect.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 20, 2008 19:11:05 GMT -5
Now don't all throw eggs at once. I don't want to seem like the PD forum where nearly every subject gets twisted into an illegal immigration debate. However I am wondering if anyone has any reliable stats on funds used for ESL classes,rises in class size ect. I don't, and I would doubt seriously that they would be easily available without filing a Public Records Act Request and having a good forensic accountant handy. But today, my glass is half full.  |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 14:41:27 GMT -5
Were any of you aware, concerning job growth, that Educational Services of California was the largest growth sector? It out paced the United States growth in Educational Services. Also, Arts, Entertainment, & Recreation, Wholesale Trade, Government, Transportation, Warehousing & Utilities and Administrative, Support, & Waste Services all out paced the rest of the country as well. That means, Educational Services is giving a negative return on our investment, judging by the outcomes in schools performances. Source of Employment Growth Data |
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Post by saunterelle on Jun 25, 2008 17:44:03 GMT -5
"When did the schools start going down hill?"
Don't forget "Abstinence-only" sex education and "No Child Left Behind." Two of the most ignorant and useless programs ever devised. If it wasn't for Bush's blunderous war and hurricane Katrina we would have heard a lot more about these failed programs.
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 25, 2008 20:53:58 GMT -5
yeah, our public schools were turning out nothing but Nobel Laurettes until those probgrams came along.
Got news for you, the abstinance only works about as well as the lets put a condom on a cucumber program. And, even though the progressives will deny it, abstinance is the best way to not get STDs and to prevent pregnancy.
As for NCLB, if the school industry hadn't been fighing it tooth and nail from the get go and really tried to make it work, it would have. Instead it came up with the mantra of 'it forces us to teach to the test.' Well, so does SAT, and STAR, and all the other tests. Nothing new. And I seem to recall the CTA crowing about test scores being up. If tests are so evil, why are they bragging about test scores being up? The biggest problem with NCLB, from the CTAs point of view, is that it tries to put some accoutablity on the school industry.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 25, 2008 23:11:28 GMT -5
Don't forget "Abstinence-only" sex education and "No Child Left Behind." Two of the most ignorant and useless programs ever devised. If it wasn't for Bush's blunderous war and hurricane Katrina we would have heard a lot more about these failed programs. And who, pray tell, was the progenitor of those two largely failed programs Saunterelle? |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 30, 2008 11:42:05 GMT -5
"When did the schools start going down hill?" Don't forget "Abstinence-only" sex education and "No Child Left Behind." Two of the most ignorant and useless programs ever devised. If it wasn't for Bush's blunderous war and hurricane Katrina we would have heard a lot more about these failed programs. I had to smite you for this stupidity. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 30, 2008 11:47:22 GMT -5
Don't forget "Abstinence-only" sex education and "No Child Left Behind." Two of the most ignorant and useless programs ever devised. If it wasn't for Bush's blunderous war and hurricane Katrina we would have heard a lot more about these failed programs. And who, pray tell, was the progenitor of those two largely failed programs Saunterelle? Now don't be bringing up the previous Administration. We have to blame Bush for this law that no one followed. |
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