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Post by Mink on Jan 4, 2009 22:25:15 GMT -5
I'm not including the UN in my observation here at all. I am stating that this current crisis is an ongoing battle. Is there an end? How do they achieve peace? By killing one another? What are the options? Either relocate, negotiate peace with interaction and sticking to it or killing each other. I don't see any other option that solves their current dilemma.
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 4, 2009 22:30:46 GMT -5
I'm not including the UN in my observation here at all. I am stating that this current crisis is an ongoing battle. Is there an end? How do they achieve peace? By killing one another? What are the options? Either relocate, negotiate peace with interaction and sticking to it or killing each other. I don't see any other option that solves their current dilemma. How about the wealthy Arab states that told the Arab Palastinians to stand aside while they killed off all the Jews take in those Arab Palastinians? And how about if all the Arab states stop using them as pawns to do their dirty work? And, maybe, they all recognize that Israel had been a nation when all of their ancestors were nomadic tribes wandering and taking what they could, and has some right to exist within its historic territory? Or is that too simple? Care to address the points about the history of it from my previous post? |
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Post by Mink on Jan 4, 2009 22:41:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong here subdjoe. I am not siding with any country here.
"Sometimes a nice house becomes burdomsome when rats invade or the soil is sinking" Just move, simple.
I have nothing against the Jewish Nation, however, if they have been fighting for centuries as referenced by you, then they will continue. I have nothing else to say about their current crisis except...."business as usual". Does this justify killing?
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Post by jgaffney on Jan 5, 2009 1:05:42 GMT -5
I have nothing against the Jewish Nation, however, if they have been fighting for centuries as referenced by you, then they will continue. I have nothing else to say about their current crisis except...."business as usual". Does this justify killing?
I can't help but recall all of the passages from the Old Testament of the Bible that declare Jerusalem to be the center of the world, and that the Jews have an inalienable right to it. The Arabs were relative newcomers, after the Romans wiped out the place in the 300s. Islam did not come to be until the 600s, so Christianity has 600 years on it, and the Jewish faith has almost 2,000 years on it. Take that, and combine it with the vote of the sacred United Nations in 1948, and one may conclude that Israel has a superior right to anyone else in the area. Before 1948, Palestine existed merely as a smudge on the map with nice beaches. The Jews showed up and built a democracy from scratch. Now, they have the area's best army, the best economy, the best democracy.....hell, even the area's best airline! No wonder the Arabs hate them - the Jews make the Arabs look so bad! Israel was coerced by the US and the rest of the world to trade land for peace. They gave the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians in 2005. Did the Palestinians move in and start building roads and schools? Did the Palestinians start building a nation that could take care of its people? NO! The Palestinians started digging tunnels into Egypt to smuggle in missiles and other arms. The Palestinians build missile factories to manufacture the Katayusha rockets that they rain down on innocent Israeli citizens. The Palestinians continue to sneak suicide bombers into Israel to blow up innocent Israeli citizens. Who are the terrorists here? Friday night, I was in SF and got stuck behind the protestors on Market St. Where were these knee-jerk bleeding hearts when the Palestinian terrorists were raining rockets down on Israeli cities? Despicable! |
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 5, 2009 3:02:31 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong here subdjoe. I am not siding with any country here. "Sometimes a nice house becomes burdomsome when rats invade or the soil is sinking" Just move, simple. I have nothing against the Jewish Nation, however, if they have been fighting for centuries as referenced by you, then they will continue. I have nothing else to say about their current crisis except...."business as usual". Does this justify killing? <sigh> I was showing that the Jews have more claim to it being their homeland than the Arab Palastinians do. Mink, you need to take some world history lessons. As for "Does this justify killing?" Does survival of a people justify killing? Or a nation? How about an individual? If I have your reasoning correct, Poland should have moved in '39 (you havn't yet said how Israel should just pack up and move, or to where, and who would pay for it). Same for France in '40. Heck, the US in '41 when Pearl was attacked. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 11:51:08 GMT -5
I was listening to news this morning and some Arab or Palestinian Reporters interviewed a 13 year old Palestinian girl whose home was next to where Hamas was storing missiles that were struck by Israeli counter attacks and destroyed the missile storage and her home. She did not blame the Israelis. She blamed Hamas for the war, destruction of her home and the death of her entire family.
Seems even this 13 year old girl understands this better then Mink does. Ah, from the mouths of babes.
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 11:53:39 GMT -5
This whole region is screwed up and they hate each other. In my opinion, killing innocent lives solves absolutely nothing at all. If anything, it pertetuates more killing. These people should have no rights to ammunitions.  So, basically you are saying Hamas should be disarmed, since they began firing missiles in violation of the ceasefire weeks ago, before Israel responded. Is that what you are saying? |
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 11:56:07 GMT -5
You can always tell when Israel is striking their targets with pinpoint accuracy. When they do, lots of women & children are killed & injured. That's because the cowardly "Palestinians" hide their weapons behind women & children. Crush Hamas; leave no doubt; see them driven out in chains; hear the lamentations of their women. That's a good morning. Let's make a distinction here. You mean that Hamas, an Iranian backed cowardly hate group, hides their armaments among civilians. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 12:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 12:02:08 GMT -5
I'm not including the UN in my observation here at all. I am stating that this current crisis is an ongoing battle. Is there an end? How do they achieve peace? By killing one another? What are the options? Either relocate, negotiate peace with interaction and sticking to it or killing each other. I don't see any other option that solves their current dilemma. Since you are so much smarter then I am, as is evidenced by your suggestions of moving Israel, let me ask you this. Who has been the most responsible for the greatest number of cease fire violations? |
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Post by moondog on Jan 5, 2009 12:03:21 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong here subdjoe. I am not siding with any country here.  No, just siding against one is all, Israel. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 6, 2009 15:03:43 GMT -5
I'm not including the UN in my observation here at all. I am stating that this current crisis is an ongoing battle. Is there an end? How do they achieve peace? By killing one another? What are the options? Either relocate, negotiate peace with interaction and sticking to it or killing each other. I don't see any other option that solves their current dilemma. Since you are so much smarter then I am, as is evidenced by your suggestions of moving Israel, let me ask you this. Who has been the most responsible for the greatest number of cease fire violations? Still waiting... |
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