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Post by subdjoe on Jan 8, 2009 20:45:28 GMT -5
smg.photobucket.com/albums/v54/adirondack_jack/?action=view¤t=PhilsPhuleproofAmmo.flvNote how he maintains muzzle awareness and control throughout this. The story on his loads is that he was using Fg black powder BUT didn't compress the load enough when he was reloading the shells. Lack of compression means a slow burn. From the thread in the forum on which I found the link, just about all his shotgun rounds that day were like that.
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 9, 2009 2:36:44 GMT -5
crazy SOB.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jan 9, 2009 13:02:50 GMT -5
That is a good find Joe, and indicative of why one needs to know the rules when reloading. Slow burning black powder = compress the load. Seeing the burning chunks of powder coming out of the muzzle at modest velocity post shot should be an indication that things aren't quite right.
What strikes me funny is why he would be using Fg powder in the first place. Way too coarse and slow for small arms, to my understanding. I'd have thought FFg might be a better solution.
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 9, 2009 13:50:05 GMT -5
He had some Fg on hand and wanted to use it up. And, in shotguns or something .65 cal or bigger it is usually OK. I would bet that he was using plastic wads rather than the older style fiber wads. With the cupped base those could very well leave a small void rather than compressing the load evenly. I've never done shot shells myself so I don't know how the presses are set up, but I would suspect that he needed about another half turn or turn on the adjusting screw to get the proper compression. As for the burning chunks out the muzzle, with Fg, and sometimes even FFg, you get that unless you are using really light loads. Kind of the nature of the beast.
That was at a SASS shoot in VT. He says he didn't even get any burn marks on his clothing.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jan 9, 2009 18:43:11 GMT -5
With Fg I'd expect some chunks even with a compressed load. Most of my limited blackpowder experience is with FFFg and FFFFg.
A shotshell loader is going to size to the overall finished length pretty much regardless of what you put inside the hull. Even with flat fiberboard wadding he could easily leave a void space if he wasn't thinking dependent on charge and pellet size.
All in all, still mighty interesting.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jan 9, 2009 21:43:19 GMT -5
Yikes! All I can say is, WHY?
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 9, 2009 21:51:39 GMT -5
First, why what?
Second, because it is fun. He didn't intend for the propellent to still be burning when he ejected the shells, it just kind of happened.
ADDED - if you wanted to get some trigger time I'm sure that there are one or two people here who could get to a range with you and get you comfortable with shooting sports.
And, if any of you are interested there is a muzzle loading cannon live fire in the Central Valley in Feb. PM me for details if you think you might be interested.
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