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Post by subdjoe on Jan 27, 2009 16:20:26 GMT -5
I think the reason it appears that the elderly are invisible is because of what has been done to the family in this country. Taxes are such a heavy burden that both husband and wife must work to raise their two or three kids. No one is home, we all have to work, so we don't have any time to do what we need to do. Families have been torn asunder by the political machines of this nation in the name of women's rights, children's rights, funding this and funding that. Families were much closer before the Federal Government started attempting to micro manage the country and the lives of its citizens. Historically, when multi-generational families were the norm, the older members too old to work the fields and such, looked after the kids too young to work, while those in their working prime did the heavy work. And everyone was expeced to pitch in hauling wood, water, feeding the chickens, tending the truck garden, etc. It doesn't take a village, it takes a FAMILY. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 27, 2009 16:29:45 GMT -5
You got that right subdjoe. Only the Democrat party sold the family out long ago.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Jan 27, 2009 16:55:06 GMT -5
subdjoe, you're right that's how things used to be, and it took a village as well. In some parts of the world it still works that way today. Villagers barter their goods so that all can sustain life as simple as it is. In Mink's example Mr. Schur didn't have any family so what about him?
The problem I see is you can't force families to live near each other. Many people move for work, or like in the case of my parents they bailed from CA to retire in order to have a financial safety net. Then there are those that just "have" to have that big house, fancy car and yes, both parents go to work to support it all instead of living modestly for at least the first few years for their children's well being. Now, I am not putting down those who really HAVE to work, just those that put THINGS before children. It really pisses me off, but hey, that's our society now isn't it?!
Since we can't put the cat back in the bag so to speak, how about solutions? Anyone? Should we just let those less capable die? Let our poorest children go unattended and become undereducated? Is that what "good" people do? All for me and screw the rest? There's a very fine line there...
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 27, 2009 17:17:02 GMT -5
Well, we bring back the idea that we are all Americans. Just plain AMERICANS with no hypnenated anything. Then bring back our traditional American values of hard work, integrety, frugality, and responsibility. I know that for the social engineers those things are anathama. But they worked. We don't need, as a society, to "celebrate diversity" or to make sure everyone feels special about everything other than being an American.
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Post by saunterelle on Jan 27, 2009 20:17:26 GMT -5
Moondog wrote:
Uh, excuse me bolverk, but Democrats support government safety nets to prevent these tragedies. It was FDR (a President you love to rail against) who brought forth Social Security to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen. Welfare, another Democrat supported system, tends to keep the mother at home with her kids and keep food on the table. Don't kid yourselves, if Republicans had their way, old folks and the poor would be dying out on the street and you wouldn't think twice about it. Tell me, what safety nets does your party bring to the table??
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 27, 2009 22:25:13 GMT -5
TNG, to add: I feel that the VERY young, and the very old sometimes need help since they are not capable of doing it for themselves. For all of the rest of the losers in our society that want to sponge off of the working PEOPLE, tough ----. Is that clear enough? yes, very clear and very agreable. |
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 27, 2009 22:27:41 GMT -5
Here's a man who put his life on the line in service to his country, and we pay him back by allowing him to slowly freeze to death in his own home. What are we about anyway... didn't do anything. the utility company is to blame here. |
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Post by Mink on Jan 27, 2009 23:05:18 GMT -5
The fact that this happened is ashame. Will the worker who installed the limiter that killed him be able to live with him or herself? Will the company review its' practices? Will the country stop thinking that everyone who needs help is a leech?
Even though some are leeching, this doesn't excuse some kind of help for those that are helpless and this man was. He sacrificed for the country and the country let him freeze.
We discussed this at work and most felt saddened. Some said, "well, he lived a good long life". They didn't know he was a WWI vet, because that part is not being reported. I had to dig to find it......something heh?
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 28, 2009 11:29:46 GMT -5
he could've lived a "gooder, longer" life.
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Post by moondog on Jan 28, 2009 15:52:58 GMT -5
Moondog wrote: Uh, excuse me bolverk, but Democrats support government safety nets to prevent these tragedies. It was FDR (a President you love to rail against) who brought forth Social Security to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen. Welfare, another Democrat supported system, tends to keep the mother at home with her kids and keep food on the table. Don't kid yourselves, if Republicans had their way, old folks and the poor would be dying out on the street and you wouldn't think twice about it. Tell me, what safety nets does your party bring to the table?? Really, did you know Democrats control that area entirely, similar to California? Detroit has not run a Republican for mayor in 20 years, it has run two Democrats. Bay City is very close to Detroit and has a similar political make up. Where were all you good Democrats when this man needed them? Answer that you genuflecting lemming of the left. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 28, 2009 15:58:19 GMT -5
The fact that this happened is ashame. Will the worker who installed the limiter that killed him be able to live with him or herself? Will the company review its' practices? Will the country stop thinking that everyone who needs help is a leech? Even though some are leeching, this doesn't excuse some kind of help for those that are helpless and this man was. He sacrificed for the country and the country let him freeze. We discussed this at work and most felt saddened. Some said, "well, he lived a good long life". They didn't know he was a WWI vet, because that part is not being reported. I had to dig to find it......something heh? You should criticize your party. This is a government run municipality in a City that is like two thirds or more Democrat. It is a fine example of how the Democrat party really see their constituents. As nothing more then a source of taxes and income. He couldn't pay so he was expendable. The Democrat philosophy come home to roost. But, for you it is all about feelings. You felt saddened by his plight and demise and that absolves you and your chosen party of any wrong doing. Just like it said in the article. |
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Post by saunterelle on Jan 28, 2009 19:00:22 GMT -5
And what do you think a Republican supported private energy conglomerate would have done to help his situation? I'll make it easy for you: NOTHING
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