mrbose
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Post by mrbose on Feb 12, 2009 16:22:13 GMT -5
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Post by The Big Dog on Feb 12, 2009 16:44:22 GMT -5
Just remember when nothing comes out of your tap and lettuce costs ten bucks a head this summer that our green friends have done their best to save a tiny fish, the delta smelt, based on what might or might not be sound science and at the cost of taking water away from tens of millions of people and acgriculture around the state.
Be afraid of the politics of green.... be very, very afraid.
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 12, 2009 20:58:56 GMT -5
The long term effects of biodiversity loss would be much, much worse.
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Post by subdjoe on Feb 12, 2009 21:00:28 GMT -5
The long term effects of biodiversity loss would be much, much worse. Post your proof, Saunterelle. Links to the studies showing how this critter is crucial. |
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Post by The Avenger on Feb 12, 2009 21:07:23 GMT -5
When I see those damn enviro-whackos practicing what they preach then I might respect them a little more. Basically, they want to impose ridiculous restrictions not so much to help the environment but more to hurt capitalism.
And to illustrate how stupid these enviros are (example: Santurelle) most don't have a clue that 95% of all species that ever existed on earth NO LONGER EXIST on earth and man had NOTHING to do with it. It's been difficult but somehow we humans have managed to live without the T-Rex and I imagine we can handle things just fine without the friggin' marsh mouse.
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Post by The Big Dog on Feb 12, 2009 21:11:35 GMT -5
The long term effects of biodiversity loss would be much, much worse. So then the Central Valley turning into a dustbowl, the loss of tens of thousands of farmworker jobs, and tens of millions of people having to live on a fraction of the water they might otherwise need is a viable alternative? What, pray tell, is one species of fish... which could presumably adapt (nature being what nature is), against that? |
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 13, 2009 1:40:39 GMT -5
The fact is, species are now becoming extinct at up to 1,000-times the natural rate. Over the past 50 years the rate of extinction has increased exponentially. So, no, this is not an attack on capitalism, it is necessary for human survival. We don't fully understand the role a salt marsh harvest mouse plays in its local ecosystem. We've seen many examples of wiping out a species only to suffer unexpected dire consequences later on. Therefore, until we can be sure that wiping out a mouse will have no consequences on the greater system of life, profits will have to take a back seat. I'm glad there are people smarter than you who are working on this.
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Post by subdjoe on Feb 13, 2009 1:56:46 GMT -5
PROOF, Saunterelle P R O O F. Something verifiable, links we can go to and check. Not your usual feelings P R O O F.
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Post by The Avenger on Feb 13, 2009 2:10:10 GMT -5
<<Raising the bullshit flag>>
I'd loooooove to see the hard evidence of this. Got a link?
Ummm, did you read my post above where I noted that man has done very well without T-Rex and will do just fine without the swamp mouse? Apparently, you didn't catch that. How about the fact that over 95% of all species have already died out without the assistance of mankind.
Let me guess. It's going to take about $20 million to do this, right? Yeah, sure. Give me half that and I'll tell you all you ever wanted to know about the little friggin' mouse.
Oh, please. Give us just ONE example.
First, there is absolutely NO evidence that I've seen to suggest that the mouse in in ANY danger WHATSOEVER. Second, who ever said the mouse is standing in the way of any profits?
It's too bad there aren't people any smarter than you making the decisions about this in D.C. This is a wastefull expenditure for a worthless project. It is nothing more than a payback from Princess Pelosi to one of her donors in the Bay Area. Jello brained knuckleheads like yourself embrace it as necessary for the harmonious existence of nature and mankind. What a bunch of bull. If you want to spend $20 million studying a mouse, use your own damn money, not mine!
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Post by subdjoe on Feb 13, 2009 11:18:05 GMT -5
Have you ever noticed that a lot of the people on the left argue on the one hand that Man is just another animal, but on the other hand not part of nature? No wonder they get confused.
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 13, 2009 11:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by digger on Feb 13, 2009 12:11:07 GMT -5
Funny thing about mice, they subscribe to the old 'grass is greener....' adage. If humans move in, they'll adapt and live happily in our houses, sheds, garages, etc.
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