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Post by saunterelle on Jun 3, 2008 16:05:32 GMT -5
What is your point? Are you saying that our reason for invading Iraq was to begin spreading democracy around the world? If so, it looks like we'll have a lot of work to do in Africa next. Wonder how much that will cost.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 3, 2008 16:57:05 GMT -5
Why is it liberals talk about cost only when it means to free another countries people from despotic leadership and tyrants. Yet, when it comes to our social programs with bottomless coffers, you say nothing. The Bhutanese refugees understand, why can't you? Bhutan News Online |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 3, 2008 17:00:05 GMT -5
Also, that is a paltry reply in the face of those great freedom fighters I quoted. I guess in the terms of our forefathers, you just don't measure up. You care more about yourself then your fellow humans. And here I thought you were a liberal. You are indeed a neosocialist, caring only about your own skin, and advancing only group rights in this country. The pathetic socialist agenda.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 3, 2008 17:10:02 GMT -5
But, you would advance articles like this, to destroy the progress that is made in liberating a great people from a despotic leader. Resisting the Occupation (“Liberation”) of IraqIt is to bad that the article was rendered irrelevant in the coming months, when the Iraqis actually voted, rather then at some distant future. Oh well, scare tactics are what progressives are best at. Because they just can't seem to base an argument in reality. |
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Post by saunterelle on Jun 3, 2008 18:12:57 GMT -5
I find your comments backwards. At the beginning of this thread you were arguing that how we are viewed in the world doesn't make any difference. Now you're acting like a bleeding heart liberal, saying that it's our job to go around the world to ensure that no one is oppressed. I would say that I admire your stance but you're only saying it to justify your new excuse for going into Iraq. You and I both know full well that liberating the Iraqi people was not our reason for going to war.
I have full faith that our next President Barack Obama will make a wise decision regarding Iraq when he takes office. Avoiding the cronyism that undid Bush, he will surround himself with the best leaders our military has, to make sure his decisions are realistic and thought through.
The trillion dollars we are spending in Iraq could have gone to social programs in our own country to avoid the growing divide between rich and poor we're experiencing. Obama will work hard to right this as well.
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 3, 2008 23:48:30 GMT -5
yep, when ol' barry gets in the white house it's all going to be blue skies and apple pie for everyone! yippee!
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 3, 2008 23:54:27 GMT -5
We'll all be drinkin' that free Bubble UP and eating that rainbow stew.
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 4, 2008 0:04:48 GMT -5
now there's an oldie but goodie! in fact the whole song applies so i'm posting the lyrics:
RAINBOW STEW
Merle Haggard
There's a big, brown cloud in the city,
And the countryside's a sin.
The price of life is too high to give up,
Gotta come down again.
When the world wide war is over and done,
And the dream of peace comes true.
We'll all be drinkin' free Bubble-Up,
Eatin' that rainbow stew.
When they find out how to burn water,
And the gasoline car is gone.
When an airplane flies without any fuel,
And the sunlight heats our home.
One of these days when the air clears up,
And the sun comes shinin' through.
We'll all be drinkin' free Bubble-Up,
An' eatin' that rainbow stew.
Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
We'll all be drinkin' free Bubble-Up,
An' eatin' that rainbow stew.
Instrumental break.
You don't have to get high to get happy,
Just think about what's in store.
When people start doin' what they oughta be doin',
Then they won't be booin' no more.
When a President goes through the White House door,
An' does what he says he'll do.
We'll all be drinkin' that free Bubble-Up,
And eatin' that rainbow stew.
Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
We'll all be drinkin' that free Bubble-Up,
Eatin' that rainbow stew.
Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
We'll all be drinkin' free Bubble-Up,
And eatin' that rainbow stew.
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Post by mrroqout on Jun 4, 2008 12:21:53 GMT -5
The trillion dollars we are spending in Iraq could have gone to social programs in our own country to avoid the growing divide between rich and poor we're experiencing. Obama will work hard to right this as well. So your saying Obama is a Socialist? What is there to "RIGHT" the fact that I make more money a year than some because I busted my a$$. And many did not bust their a$$ and give it everything they had to ACHIEVE? But we should "RIGHT" this and make sure people who don't apply themselves can have what those who DID apply themselves are able to? Sounds wonderful.. Saunterelle ,Thank you for clarifying your Socialist Agenda. |
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Post by saunterelle on Jun 4, 2008 12:41:01 GMT -5
If we had pure capitalism in this country there would be people in the streets dying of starvation. As a civilized nation it is our job to look after our fellow countrymen, insuring they have food to eat, a roof over their head, and medical care. That's not "socialism" it's bare bones humanity. People don't have equal opportunity in the United States. There are many structural problems in place that keep power and opportunity in the hands of the rich. If you can't see that then you're blind.
Yes, a portion of our tax dollars should go to helping others in need. Don't worry, people can still get insanely rich in America.
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Post by mrroqout on Jun 4, 2008 13:03:35 GMT -5
If we had pure capitalism in this country there would be people in the streets dying of starvation. _________________________________________________ Yes, a portion of our tax dollars should go to helping others in need. Don't worry, people can still get insanely rich in America. So are there people in the streets of the USA dying of starvation? And doesn't a portion of my tax dollars currently go to Strawberry Scented Welfare checks? Sorry I don't feel compelled to GIVE AWAY more of what I worked my tail off to achieve. I should suffer more because I WILL work 20 hour days to make sure my projects succeed? When others wont put in 8 honest hours? And I am to believe that's NOT Socialist? Do the "Rich" have an easier row to hoe? For the most part yes they do. But someone in their family PRIOR to them made sure they would be taken care of and GAVE THEM that easier path--DUE TO THEIR hard work. People who CHOOSE to give more do just that they CHOOSE this. Having it "Mandated" by some RICH ELITIST GOVERNMENT LIAR, is what gets people upset. Americans GIVE CHARITABLY MORE than ANY other nation on EARTH. Maybe when we dry up the funding for the liberation of Iraq. We should also close our purses to Myanmar and the rest of the world after the next big natural disaster?..By your logic this is a must. |
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Post by saunterelle on Jun 4, 2008 13:17:39 GMT -5
"So are there people in the streets of the USA dying of starvation?"
No. You didn't read my statement correctly. I said IF we had pure capitalism the consequence would be people in the streets dying of starvation. That is why we DO NOT have pure capitalism. Calling Obama a socialist is stupid because he is all for capitalism. Most of Europe has more social programs than we do, does that make them socialist?
And you're trying to say that Democrats take a lot of money from the rich to give to the poor. This is simply not true. Under democratic rule, the rich remain rich, they just give their fair share, as we all do, to help others who are less fortunate. What is so wrong with that?
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