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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 20, 2008 19:16:33 GMT -5
If the Republicans are so adimant on saving jobs in the yacht business, they should look into the future when there will be uneducated numb skulls looking for work... Just what, exactly, are our public schools in California turning out now? Cadres of geniuses? California test scores are abysmal, and have continued to fall no matter how much money we've thrown at the problem. At some point it stops being about money and it starts being about the programs and it starts being about the chuckleheads administering and presenting the programs. But since the Democrat / socialist / progressive answer to all ills is to simply throw more tax money at a problem in the hope that it will correct itself, we find ourselves in the current predicament.... schools that are funded at the highest per pupil rate in the nation crying poor mouth and lying through the teacher's unions for more money. Meanwhile those same schools are turning out hundreds of thousands of kids who can't pass the basic math and English tests in community college and have to start at square one. |
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Post by Mink on Jun 20, 2008 22:54:59 GMT -5
Must be a hot day......earlier in the thread I agreed with both of you in that we need to rid ourselves of the head count and make accountability key. Now, about those yachts? These ones, bloverk: Here is the link regarding state Republicans-yachts: articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/16/local/me-cuts16quote: One group that emerged unscathed is yacht owners. Democrats had hoped to raise $26 million in revenue by closing a loophole that allows the boat owners, as well as owners of airplanes and recreational vehicles, to avoid paying sales tax by keeping their newly purchased vessels out of state for 90 days. Republicans in the Assembly blocked the proposal, saying it was a tax hike that would ultimately drive down yacht sales. This is happening now and Clinton is no longer pres. Anyone for lemonade??  |
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 21, 2008 0:04:56 GMT -5
wow! A whole 26 million bucks! I'll grant, it isn't chump change but it comes to a whopping 4 bucks a student (K-12). Gee! that might pay for the letters from the school asking for dontations of materials by the parents.
The issue about yachts is a emotional non-issue raised by the socialists as a smokescreen to hide their fiscal irresponsibility. And the fiscal irresponsiblity in the education industry.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 21, 2008 0:31:31 GMT -5
Yes Mink you did agree earlier in the thread that the state needs to look seriously at headcount. However I would also point out, in fairness, that those figures did not include local government, local public schools or higher education (UC / CSU systems).
I was retorting to your assertion that unless we believe the class warfare bilge you are arguing we will be faced with "uneducated numb skulls looking for work" (your words). My assertion is that thanks to the lavishly funded public schools in this state, we already have that situation.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 21, 2008 0:41:48 GMT -5
Yes Mink, if you over tax them, they will go. Like Amy's Kitchen, in a very much close to home example. The too high cost of doing business in California led them to scrap plans to expand their operations here in SoCo, where the company was founded, and build a $17 million plant from the ground up in Oregon. Several hundred jobs went there as well, and while the company continues to operate in Santa Rosa, it's nowhere what it could have been. Fire the Democrats in Sacramento and let's start over. |
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Post by Mink on Jun 21, 2008 0:52:49 GMT -5
Yes Mink you did agree earlier in the thread that the state needs to look seriously at headcount. However I would also point out, in fairness, that those figures did not include local government, local public schools or higher education (UC / CSU systems). I was retorting to your assertion that unless we believe the class warfare bilge you are arguing we will be faced with "uneducated numb skulls looking for work" (your words). My assertion is that thanks to the lavishly funded public schools in this state, we already have that situation. Big Dog, for shame! When you use my words, please either review what I was referring to or re-read. Those "numbskulls" were in response to your statement that by taxing yacht owners, jobs would be lost. Please re-read the post again. |
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Post by Mink on Jun 21, 2008 0:59:56 GMT -5
Yes Mink, if you over tax them, they will go. Like Amy's Kitchen, in a very much close to home example. The too high cost of doing business in California led them to scrap plans to expand their operations here in SoCo, where the company was founded, and build a $17 million plant from the ground up in Oregon. Several hundred jobs went there as well, and while the company continues to operate in Santa Rosa, it's nowhere what it could have been. Fire the Democrats in Sacramento and let's start over. Amy's Kitchen is still in California and the pay is like working at McDonalds. bad example Our taxes are high, yes. We live in the sunshine state. Do you remember the reason why so many people moved here? They pay for the sun. Jeepers, creepers, if the pubbies take over, you can just imagine what would happen. Our air quality would go to h*ll, oil drilling would ruin the reason so many have moved here, our coast.....the Sequoias would be history and who knows what else??? I agree, we need to work on our school system, but that is countrywide. |
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Post by subdjoe on Jun 21, 2008 6:43:58 GMT -5
Mink, take your own suggestion: " please either review what (he) was referring to or re-read. ... Please re-read the post again."
He said that Amys was still here but that the went elsewhere for their expansion.
And yes, you 'imagine' what would happen. And quite an active imagination it is. Straight out of the DNC smear tactics. Look what the Dems have brought us in CA - failing schools, failing roads, a consuming economy rather than a producing economy, parents afraid or unable to discipline their children. Yeah, my party (dem. I can't quite give up hope on them, but they do make it hard) has done a GREAT job...of running the once great state of California into the group with its politics of taxation, fear, and division.
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 21, 2008 16:05:03 GMT -5
mink must have better vision than superman if she thinks an oil rig 50-200 miles offshore will ruin her view. and speaking of views i'd much rather see an oil rig only 5 miles offshore rather than all the graffitti in S.R. and Petaluma. but i'm sure those lovely "undocumented worker" ganstas would find a way to paddle out and tag the oil rigs too.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 21, 2008 16:40:21 GMT -5
Amy's Kitchen is still in California and the pay is like working at McDonalds. bad example A job, as they say, is a job. Especially when times are getting tough. Apparently your job is to try and parse out that which does not fit your agenda. Amy's expansion, and let's not forget the $17M they paid to build a facility (could we have used those well paid construction jobs here?), and all the equipment they had to purchase, and have to maintain. You are so blinded by the politics of it all that you refuse to understand or comprehend basic economics and the market forces that drive it. What does good weather have to do with taxes and the ever growing cost of oppressive government? Real estate high... sure. It's California. But the confiscatory tax and regulation burdens placed on residents and businesses are not, or should not be anyway, an effect of the cause called nice weather most of the tiem. Again with the calss warfare and hysteria. Here's just one news flash for you and I'll move on..... trees are a renewable resource. If you plant new ones when you harvest mature ones to build things like... houses, then you always have trees. This all or nothing mentality on your side of the aisle is what singlehandedly destroyed the timber industry in California along with thousands of good paying jobs. Again... you don't know what you are talking about. There are 40 something states doing a far better job on public education than California. Set aside your biases for a few minutes, do some meaningful research and then get back to me. |
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Post by Mink on Jun 21, 2008 21:43:40 GMT -5
I believe the cost in PGE partially determined Amy's Kitchen's
decision to go to Oregon. Yes, a job is a job. The employees are mostly Hispanic (not that there is anything wrong with the race), however, if one applies for a higher paying position in that company, you need to speak Spanish, which leads me to believe, they hire illegals.
A tree is a tree, no doubt. I dare you to plant a Sequoia that brings a crowd as the Giants up north. You can't. This isn't class warfare here, it is called preserving nature. The loggers may have had it great at one point, but when they rape the land of resources, even if they plant as they logged, they would still wait many years to reap the same crop. These aren't tomatoes.
As for the education system in California? Call it bias if you feel better, but if you don't like it, move to the state with the "better" system or change it......ask Rice what she did at Stanford.
Although you don't want to admit it, we pay for the sun.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 12:38:12 GMT -5
Maybe Bloverk would rather increase the deficit? If you can't afford, don't spend or are you in debt too? The only balanced budget happened because the Republican created it, and Clinton had no other choice then to sign it, even though he opposed the bill. But, did that stop him from taking credit for it? Or did it stop the misinformed from giving him credit for it? |
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