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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 13:07:46 GMT -5
No problem with that Subdjoe. Accountability is key. Now, how about those yachts? Do you recall what happened to the American Yacht industry when taxes were raised on yachts during the Clinton Administration? If Americans do not buy yachts made in America, then the yacht builders of America go out of business. Cause and effect. It already happened once. So, is it worth the jobs to force wealthy Californians to buy their yachts in other countries? And still not pay any sales tax. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 25, 2008 13:43:33 GMT -5
I believe the cost in PGE partially determined Amy's Kitchen's decision to go to Oregon. Energy costs aren't that much different in Oregon. Cost of construction and real estate as well as harsh tax and regulatory hurdles imposed by California and SoCo are what chased over 1000 new headcount for Amy's off to Oregon. So you've determined that everyone who speaks Spanish as a first language is an illegal? Here's a news flash... Amy's Kitchen is a high profile and growing business run by old hippie vegans. If they are actually hiring undocumented workers, I'd be extremely surprised as that would be so very << shudder >> capitalistic of them.  And no one has been proposing cutting old growth trees already set aside in natural parkland. Not anytime in the discussion since the tree huggers first launched their crusade and destroyed an industry. Again the "all or nothing" approach to a problem comes from Mink ignoring a hundred years or more of forestry science and resource management practice. So when my parents built a house in Tiburon in the early 60's they planted a redwood sapling on the lot. By the time they sold and moved north in 1977, it was a healthy and growing tree over 30 feet tall... literally growing like a weed. That's what redwoods do, or didn't you know that? So let me ask you this.... what are you going to do when all those trees are lost to an uncontrollable wildfire exacerbated by a no cut policy? See the example of Yellowstone Park for just how well that works. I am trying to change it. Those who have swallowed the Kool Aid of the CTA and featherbedded school administrators are keeping me, and others, from doing it. When did I deny it? Please show me where. I recall without looking that I agreed with you that California's climate, industry, proximity to the ocean, etc. etc. etc. all work together to make our real estate some of the highest priced in the world. Where you are, apparently, not able to make a distinction is on the correlation to taxes, regulation and the cost of government that is driving the state into receivership and is chasing new jobs and economic growth out of the state. Without that economic growth and those jobs, we might as well start handing the keys over to Mexico now. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 13:44:14 GMT -5
Must be a hot day......earlier in the thread I agreed with both of you in that we need to rid ourselves of the head count and make accountability key. Now, about those yachts? These ones, bloverk: Here is the link regarding state Republicans-yachts: articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/16/local/me-cuts16quote: One group that emerged unscathed is yacht owners. Democrats had hoped to raise $26 million in revenue by closing a loophole that allows the boat owners, as well as owners of airplanes and recreational vehicles, to avoid paying sales tax by keeping their newly purchased vessels out of state for 90 days. Republicans in the Assembly blocked the proposal, saying it was a tax hike that would ultimately drive down yacht sales. This is happening now and Clinton is no longer pres. Anyone for lemonade??  Those who do not know, or ignore, history are condemned to repeat it. If you close down the yacht industry with even higher taxes then you will get no taxes. What part of zero do you not understand? |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 13:49:37 GMT -5
Yes Mink you did agree earlier in the thread that the state needs to look seriously at headcount. However I would also point out, in fairness, that those figures did not include local government, local public schools or higher education (UC / CSU systems). I was retorting to your assertion that unless we believe the class warfare bilge you are arguing we will be faced with "uneducated numb skulls looking for work" (your words). My assertion is that thanks to the lavishly funded public schools in this state, we already have that situation. Big Dog, for shame! When you use my words, please either review what I was referring to or re-read. Those "numbskulls" were in response to your statement that by taxing yacht owners, jobs would be lost. Please re-read the post again. Yes, jobs will be lost, along with the entire industry. Which would make the democrats the numb skulls, along with the most expensive uneducated children in the United States. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 13:50:35 GMT -5
Like Amy's Kitchen, in a very much close to home example. The too high cost of doing business in California led them to scrap plans to expand their operations here in SoCo, where the company was founded, and build a $17 million plant from the ground up in Oregon. Several hundred jobs went there as well, and while the company continues to operate in Santa Rosa, it's nowhere what it could have been. Fire the Democrats in Sacramento and let's start over. Amy's Kitchen is still in California and the pay is like working at McDonalds. bad example Our taxes are high, yes. We live in the sunshine state. Do you remember the reason why so many people moved here? They pay for the sun. Jeepers, creepers, if the pubbies take over, you can just imagine what would happen. Our air quality would go to h*ll, oil drilling would ruin the reason so many have moved here, our coast.....the Sequoias would be history and who knows what else??? I agree, we need to work on our school system, but that is countrywide. 8.25 an hour, a dollar more then the federal minimum wage. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 13:51:37 GMT -5
Like Amy's Kitchen, in a very much close to home example. The too high cost of doing business in California led them to scrap plans to expand their operations here in SoCo, where the company was founded, and build a $17 million plant from the ground up in Oregon. Several hundred jobs went there as well, and while the company continues to operate in Santa Rosa, it's nowhere what it could have been. Fire the Democrats in Sacramento and let's start over. Amy's Kitchen is still in California and the pay is like working at McDonalds. bad example Our taxes are high, yes. We live in the sunshine state. Do you remember the reason why so many people moved here? They pay for the sun. Jeepers, creepers, if the pubbies take over, you can just imagine what would happen. Our air quality would go to h*ll, oil drilling would ruin the reason so many have moved here, our coast.....the Sequoias would be history and who knows what else??? I agree, we need to work on our school system, but that is countrywide. Your statements are just ludicrous. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 25, 2008 14:06:52 GMT -5
I believe the cost in PGE partially determined Amy's Kitchen's decision to go to Oregon. Yes, a job is a job. The employees are mostly Hispanic (not that there is anything wrong with the race), however, if one applies for a higher paying position in that company, you need to speak Spanish, which leads me to believe, they hire illegals. A tree is a tree, no doubt. I dare you to plant a Sequoia that brings a crowd as the Giants up north. You can't. This isn't class warfare here, it is called preserving nature. The loggers may have had it great at one point, but when they rape the land of resources, even if they plant as they logged, they would still wait many years to reap the same crop. These aren't tomatoes. As for the education system in California? Call it bias if you feel better, but if you don't like it, move to the state with the "better" system or change it......ask Rice what she did at Stanford. Although you don't want to admit it, we pay for the sun. then you do about California. Most of your assertions about our forests are based in faulty assumptions, where his are based in factual science and observations. You could learn a thing or two, if you pull your head out of the DNC rhetoric for a change. |
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Post by Mink on Jun 25, 2008 22:06:32 GMT -5
Bloverk, your link could not be accessed, could you re-post? BTW, my thoughts on the Sequoias have originated from a young age.....way before politics enterd my mind. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 30, 2008 12:35:58 GMT -5
The Sequoias are protected in their own park, they will burn before they are cut, and you know it. The actual site is www.greenspirit.com if you would like to visit. His grand father was one of the loggers who cut down the forests on Vancouver Island, which have all grown back in his grandsons life time. And all the same types of animals who lived in that same forest have returned as well. Disproving what most environmentalists call death by clear cutting. |
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Post by Mink on Jul 3, 2008 19:06:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the link....it does appear quite lengthy so it might be awhile before I make my next statement at least regarding the trees...
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Post by heckheckle on Jul 4, 2008 21:26:33 GMT -5
The only way the Federal Government will get any money is by TAXES.
Cutting spending is a nice idea, but it will never catch up to TAXATION.
Bushy Boy thinks he conned all the American people By Giving $300 +
to most Americans, and I suppose to lots of foriegners too, in order to
stimulate the Economy. That money had to come from somewhere. It
will come from TAXES. Now, how does that sound,when done by a
Republican?
Congress can start to getting the country back on track again by putting
into effect, Sensible Taxation. Take the Obscene Profits from the
Oil Industry. And take the Obscene PROFITS from the rich
Republicans who were given Obscene Tax breaks so that they can stimulate
the economy by stimulating Business. PHAW !! They never use their own money for anything. That money is in their pockets.
Let's get back to the "Bill Clinton System" and get the country Rolling in Dough
again.
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Post by Mink on Jul 4, 2008 22:43:38 GMT -5
Very well said, Heckheckle!!
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