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Post by saunterelle on Mar 20, 2009 1:04:02 GMT -5
I used "collectively" because there has to be a change in our energy system, not just a few of us acting "green." Magazines and media have used the green movement to suggest "20 easy way to be green" or "green made easy" when that is not nearly enough. I am not the biggest fan of Obama's cap and trade suggestion (because the system can be abused by large corporations) but at least it's a step in the right direction.
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Post by barneyfife on Mar 20, 2009 3:46:32 GMT -5
LOL "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth." 31,000 Accredited SCIENTISTS have signed a petition stating the above.. The PSEUDO SCIENCE of AGW is based on bad data and outright lies. |
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Post by barneyfife on Mar 20, 2009 4:03:15 GMT -5
Here are some fun quotes from people FAR FAR more accredited on the matter than you or I..or even old Al Gore...
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever. “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical. “The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.
“ I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO).Chemist Dr. Mark L. Campbell is a professor of chemistry at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis MD.As an expert on greenhouse gases he makes it clear that he does not believe that man is responsible for climate change.
www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/letters/bal-ed.le.letters13j20jan13,0,1631758.story Like I said there are AT LEAST 31K Accredited folks just like these...Your "Consensus" is PURE BS. |
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Post by subdjoe on Mar 20, 2009 9:37:53 GMT -5
I think this is the most telling of any of the quotes: “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical. “
The dishonest ones see where the big money is and stick with it. The honest ones, producing real science, get out of the money game and tell the truth.
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 20, 2009 11:35:57 GMT -5
now go and tell that to the chinese, the brazilians, the venezuelans, etc.
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Post by The Avenger on Mar 20, 2009 14:19:55 GMT -5
Global Warming is a bunch of bull.
Just another way to control the populations activities.
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Post by sunny on Mar 21, 2009 14:46:35 GMT -5
How can you guys say Climate Change isn't true?
Don't you see the effects? they are everywhere!
Climate Change is making the weather do strange things. Sea levels are rising and getting warmer. Polar bears are dying because their ice is melting. And man doesn't care. We just keep polluting the air.
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Post by harpman1 on Mar 21, 2009 14:54:52 GMT -5
How come the natural behaviors of every species is considered "natural and good", except man?
We build and create because it is in our nature to do so.
That makes it "natural", and therefore, a good thing.
Wheter you like it or not!
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Post by subdjoe on Mar 21, 2009 15:43:07 GMT -5
How can you guys say Climate Change isn't true? Don't you see the effects? they are everywhere! Climate Change is making the weather do strange things. Sea levels are rising and getting warmer. Polar bears are dying because their ice is melting. And man doesn't care. We just keep polluting the air. You are confusing things here, Sunny. First, what we are disputing is the claims by the social engineers that the warming is 99 44/100s man caused. The Earth has been warming for the past 12,000 years or so. This is a natural event known as an intergalcial warming period. The Earth has been through these before. It will go through them again. Second, you are confusing "doing something" about global warming (I will keep using that term even though the social engineers have now gone to "climate change" because they don't know what the hell is really happening) with good stewardship of resources. One can be in favor of keeping the environment clean, and not believe the religion of global warming. But somehow the social engineers have managed to lump the two things together. Third, the social engineers and other alarmists regularly BLOCK attempts to bring clean energy sources online. Can't build wind farms because they kill birds, and produce bad magnetic fields. Can't build solar farms because they take up too much land in environmentally sensitive areas. Can't put in the power lines from either one for a myriad of reasons. And don't even think about the long term, clean source of power - nuke plants. If we gave in to all the alarmists, we would be back in a gatherer stage, shivering and starving in dark caves, or lean tos (can't have fires because you need to cut wood for them, and the produce all sorts of nasty pollution). |
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Post by heckheckle on Mar 22, 2009 14:37:57 GMT -5
::)I remember when I was criticized for not knowing about text
wrap. I like shorter sentences and paragraphs as they are easier to read.
What about moondog? How do you wrap graphics?
There is always some "Smart A ss".
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Post by heckheckle on Mar 22, 2009 14:58:50 GMT -5
____________________________________________________ Right on, Saunterelle. I was chastised for essentially saying the same thing, some time ago, in one of my posts. |
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Post by harpman1 on Mar 22, 2009 15:44:07 GMT -5
And you will be again, 'cuz anthropogenic global warming is simply alchemy; turning carbon into gold!
This is the biggest lie and scam since Mumia Abu Jamal.
Believing it makes you grow wool, sheep.
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