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Post by The New Guy on Aug 28, 2009 10:33:43 GMT -5
if this story doesn't make you sick i don't know what will. 18 years of hellif i were the father of this girl (now grown woman) the kidnapper would not have to worry about going to prison. he wouldn't make it that far. i would take him out right there in the courtroom. unfortunately, our system will sentence this guy to a life of cable tv, three meals a day, exercise facilities, libraries, etc. all in the comfort of a government detention facility. IMHO he deserves to be kept in a dark, dank room underground with minimal food and beaten repeatedly day in and day out. there's more i'd like to do to him but i won't say it here. same goes for his wife who apparently was in on it too. |
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Post by mrbose on Aug 29, 2009 14:57:51 GMT -5
Hell he'll get 6 months in the funny farm be declared safe for society then back in your neighborhood, because thats the humain thing to do  after all he is the father of two little girls |
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Post by saunterelle on Aug 29, 2009 21:31:12 GMT -5
This is just sickening. We can all agree on that.
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Post by saunterelle on Aug 29, 2009 21:51:33 GMT -5
Why didn't the parole officer explore the premesis further, or follow up on any of the neighbor's complaints? There are so many ways in which this should have been discovered much earlier.
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Post by The Big Dog on Aug 29, 2009 23:56:05 GMT -5
And the LEOs / parole / probation who interacted with them over the years are likely all beating themselves up with those very same questions.
What if I had just looked a little harder?
The feelings of guilt and shame for not tumbling to it earlier can be very, very powerful.
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 30, 2009 0:24:21 GMT -5
Why didn't the parole officer explore the premesis further, or follow up on any of the neighbor's complaints? There are so many ways in which this should have been discovered much earlier. Thst's right, ella, blame LE for the girls kidnapping and being held for all this time. Typical. Most likely they were following proceedues put in place to avoid lawsuits for harassment. If they had gone beyond what the courts have said they could do, and not found anything, you would be screaming about gestapo methods used by all police. Hindsight will just about always be 20/20. So, once again LE will be publicly second guessed by armchair experts like you. And you can bet that all agencies nation wide will be looking at this and working up proceedures to prevent things like this in the future. |
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Post by mrbose on Aug 30, 2009 12:09:23 GMT -5
Why didn't the parole officer explore the premesis further, or follow up on any of the neighbor's complaints? There are so many ways in which this should have been discovered much earlier. Because these bleeding heart liberals think they can reabilitate these scumbags,his lawyer is busily working on his insanity defense/incompetency to stand trial. news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090828/ts_nm/us_usa_kidnap |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 5, 2009 10:50:31 GMT -5
Why didn't the parole officer explore the premesis further, or follow up on any of the neighbor's complaints? There are so many ways in which this should have been discovered much earlier. Thst's right, ella, blame LE for the girls kidnapping and being held for all this time. Typical. Most likely they were following proceedues put in place to avoid lawsuits for harassment. If they had gone beyond what the courts have said they could do, and not found anything, you would be screaming about gestapo methods used by all police. Hindsight will just about always be 20/20. So, once again LE will be publicly second guessed by armchair experts like you. And you can bet that all agencies nation wide will be looking at this and working up proceedures to prevent things like this in the future. Looks like you are wrong Subdjoe: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/BA1D1AF71I.DTL |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 5, 2009 11:46:52 GMT -5
OK, now that the investigation has been done, I will say, yes, that LE screwed up. BUT I waited until that investigaton was done. I did not, like you, automatically assume that they had.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 5, 2009 11:57:04 GMT -5
Thanks for your admission, now it's Big Dog's turn. The evidence was there from the beginning. Neighbor complaints, etc.
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 5, 2009 13:38:05 GMT -5
Thanks for your admission, now it's Big Dog's turn. The evidence was there from the beginning. Neighbor complaints, etc. For what? Big Dog said: " All he said was that those who should have found out about it sooner will be beating themselves up about it. Which is true. Or do you have some problem with that? But you jumped in to condemn LE without any solid evidence. Which is what I called you to task on, then offered my comment that they were likey following proceedures that were in place to prevent being accused of harassment. Looks like they just plain dropped the ball. As I'm sure Big Dog and Crossride will confirm, neighbor complaints often don't mean squat. Especially when it seems like the neighbors may have a grudge against him. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 5, 2009 13:57:05 GMT -5
Neighbor complaints.... okay. So my neighbor looks "funny". This proves what, exactly?
While parolees are held to a different standard, and are subject to far less constitutional protections, they are still entitled to due process. The way the system is now there needs to be an obvious violation. The mere fact that the dude had rigged electricity around his house is not necessarily indicative of anything. Could the parole agents working his file been a bit more inquisitive? I suppose they could have. But if there were no overt signs of criminality they will, more likely than not, let the guy slide on minor technical violations. If parole agents violated every parolee for each and every violation our prisons would be even more crowded than they already are. And the bottom line is that if the guy looks like he is fairly well programmed up, and does not overtly appear to be offending, he is not going to get violated unless his supervising agent has a hard on for him.
I'm also more than a little concerned that the state's Inspector General essentially taking this case over and trying very hard to both cover the state's ass and throw a few CDCR guys under the bus. They are playing politics with what is still a criminal case that has yet to be adjudicated.
And that's just wrong.
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after all he is the father of two little girls
