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Post by saunterelle on Sept 25, 2009 17:04:28 GMT -5
How many home intruders are shot annually vs. accidents involving guns occur in the home? Per USDOJ at least 600,000 crimes are prvented each year because an honest citizen had a gun. In only about 2% of those is the gun fired. Other estimates run into the low 2 millions. So, counting dead thugs is a red herring. It doesn't matter how many are shot, the number of crimes prevented is the key. And that is a hard number to pin down because is the gun isn't fired and no crime is committed, then usually no report is filed. But then, you knew that, didnt you?
The number of accidents in the home is quite low.
Some statistics from the National Safety Council: The average Americans chances of dying
In any accident 1 in 23
By a vehicle while walking 1 in 612
Fall from bed, chair, furntiture 1 in 4745
Firearm accident 1 in 4888
Per one anti-gun group (LCAV)there are about 2 injuries for every death. In 2005 there were about 700 accidental deaths, all circumstances, so a total of about 1400 accidental injuries if that anti-gun group is correct. Do you really think the deamonization of guns and their owners led to this 8 year old deciding to pull the trigger? Yes, I do. Because he was not taught proper safety and was not provided the chance to practice. As I said, I grew up with guns. My brothers and I all knew where dad kept his loaded pistol. By the age of five I knew how to check all our guns to see if they were loaded and knew that unless dad was there. We went shooting at least once a month. Without people like you chanting 'gunz-r-bad' and demonizing everyone who owns guns, and placing more and more restrictions on gun ownership, likely that kid would have been to the range several dozen times in the last few years, would have had practice with that gun, would have had the mystery taken way. So, in an indirct way YOU killed that two year old because of the paranoia you support. How does that feel, Killer? YOU had a part in it. Totally overboard. That's the same as saying you had a part in killing everyone who has overdosed on drugs because you support keeping drugs illegal, and therefore keeping them "mysterious" and tempting. If anything, the demonization of guns has led to more people keeping their guns locked up and out of their kid's reach. More gun restrictions and education for gun owners would be a good thing. |
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Post by capttankona on Sept 25, 2009 19:01:17 GMT -5
Then your father should be allowed to own a gun. You see, when guns are allowed to be owned by anyone, there will be all kinds of accidents when they fall into irresponsible hands. My father died of Alzheimers. I have more training in firearms then you can imagine. And, my training supercedes the civilian training, I beleive, if I show my DD Form 214 I should be exempt from all firearms training. |
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Post by capttankona on Sept 25, 2009 19:03:35 GMT -5
Then your father should be allowed to own a gun. You see, when guns are allowed to be owned by anyone, there will be all kinds of accidents when they fall into irresponsible hands. Oh, accidents happen every day. Unfortunately. But I disagree with people attempting to license a right. Unless the state accepts full responsibility and culpability for all murders. |
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 25, 2009 19:36:49 GMT -5
Then your father should be allowed to own a gun. You see, when guns are allowed to be owned by anyone, there will be all kinds of accidents when they fall into irresponsible hands. Will you apply the same standards to cars, bicycles, power tools, swimming pools, window blinds, skateboards, electric appliances, and household chemicals? Just for starters? |
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 25, 2009 20:55:26 GMT -5
Go back and READ what I wrote in my response to Big Dog. I'm all for the fingerprint sensors - let it be tested in the militay and law enforcement for 10 years first. Would the manufacturers of that technology be liable to lawsuit when it failed? Would, oh, Bill Gates or Steve Jobs be sued when their programming failed? Would Intel be sued because a honest citzen didn't have his finger just right on the grip and he was killed by the thug? All electronic devices are prone to failure. Even a military or police test would eventually show the fingerprint sensors would fail -- maybe a low amount, but if that low amount happens when you need it -- it would seriously suck, right? Yep, but I figure that it would be a damned good filed test to find all the flaws, right? That original comment was kind of kidding on the square. I'm tired of cops being exempted from 'safety' laws. After all, they carry guns every day. It seems like they should have safer guns than non LEOs, right? More opportunities for problems. Plus, how many cops get shot with their own guns. I think it is close to 20% of them. Wow, we could save a LOT of police lives, couldn't we? But, you made my point - that technology isn't 100%, no technology is. Not to mention it would drive many firearms beyond the reach of the most vulnerable people in our society and put put the inthe position of being at the mercy of the thugs. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 25, 2009 20:59:48 GMT -5
Then you will agree that guns should only be sold to people who have demonstrated a thorough understanding of gun safety and responsible usage. More restrictions are needed.I agree that guns should only be sold to those who are not prohibited.... among those already prohibited are children, non-citizens, felons, addicts and mental defectives. The law nationwide covers all those circumstances, clearly, with strong criminal sanctions for both buyer and seller. That is at the high level. When we get to a state like California, it goes much deeper. What more restrictions are needed? And before you answer.... do you know what the restrictions currently are in California? If not, then how would you formulate an educated and considered response? One of the things you leftists seem to be unable to grasp is that while you can pass all the laws you want too there is no guarantee that everyone will follow them 100% of the time. Your thinking never allows for that inescapable fact. |
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