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Post by Mink on Aug 17, 2008 15:03:58 GMT -5
Subdjoe, history is important and thank you for sharing with us.
However, do you think today's KKK gives a hoot of their own history? Is it right for them to threaten or to acknowledge a threat to Obama?
Although hate groups have popped up since the KKK, I have to agree with JMO that the KKK's presence is apparent if not pronounced in the south.
My Mother grew up in Texas and has told us many stories, but then again, she moved to California in the 50's. JMO's experience, I imagine is fairly recent in comparison and the KKK is still prevalent even after the civil rights' era.
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Post by harpman1 on Aug 17, 2008 15:55:39 GMT -5
Ancient history.
21st century, please.
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Post by The Big Dog on Aug 17, 2008 16:52:24 GMT -5
The Klan is, largely, an ineffectual bunch of sheet wearing manure salesmen talking tough so people will be scared of them. However I do find it more than a bit distressing when I see white high school kids in the Valley of the Moon happily throwing the left handed salute of the KKK.
Gives one pause......
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Aug 17, 2008 17:08:10 GMT -5
TNG, the YouTube video explains that hate groups are in many locations, duh! SO, obviously I was making a general comment about my experience, and the reason it was shocking to me is that I'd never witnessed such blatant public disdain for other peoples since I grew up in CA, not that I never witnessed it here. The people in Texas were quite willing to share their opinions for anyone to listen.
My grandfather was from Kansas City, Kansas and he was a closed minded bigot and even as a child I knew it/he was wrong. He would YELL at my grandmother to change the TV channel (that was his first offense in my mind) because those "n" people were taking over the world and he didn't want to see their @#+&! faces on HIS TV. Ack, it still makes me sick.
My father in-law was a FBI Agent and worked the Mississippi burning case and had first hand experience dealing with racist jerks.
So, please, I know bigotry is everywhere.
BTW, I thought about a return smite but thought better of it. I'll save that function for something more offensive than a general opinion.
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 17, 2008 23:47:45 GMT -5
Oh, I know that the sheet heads don't care about history. Neither do the black racist groups. Nor, if I may add, do most progressives around the Bay Area.
As for that Grand Whizzer, he didn't seem to be threatening. I don't know what you mean by 'acknowlegeing" a threat. Sounded like he was expressing an opinion. Just like I have heard some newscasters do. And, if I recall, one of the female Dem. candidates recently.
Funny thing about the KKK is that if the media were to ignore it, likely it would dry up and blow away. These sorry excuses for human beings thrive on the free publicity they are given. Like spoiled children they do outrageous things to get attention and put their agenda in the public eye. (the same can be said of PETA, Greenpeace, EarthFirst!, etc.).
I don't believe it is more prevelent in the south. That jerk was in IL. ID has more than its share of the hate mongers. So does IN. So, some of the northern states are as bad or worse than the southern states. I would argue for worse, since according to the history we are taught, the north was free of the taint of racism.
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Post by Mink on Aug 18, 2008 22:30:58 GMT -5
Subdjoe: "Oh, I know that the sheet heads don't care about history. Neither do the black racist groups. Nor, if I may add, do most progressives around the Bay Area." ______________________________________________ C'mon now.....no need to bring partisanship here, lest we admit the same for the ultra opposite (which does include them as well).  If you listen again, you will hear an acknowledgemnt of the wizzard, that even if the KKK doesn't do it, he knows of someone who will..... The KKK aren't like children! Children don't kill people! Subdjoe, I know you love the south and it has many, many good things about it, but it does have its' own devils and the KKK is big. You can deny just because hate is everywhere, however, you can't deny all the killings, the treatment of the Black Folk in our country's history, recent and not so recent. |
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 18, 2008 23:10:42 GMT -5
sim·ple·ton Audio Help /ˈsɪmpəltən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sim-puhl-tuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun an ignorant, foolish, or silly person.
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 19, 2008 0:27:22 GMT -5
Mink, I will admit that I may have misheard what he said, I had trouble hearing him. They may not be kids, but they do outrageous and attrocious things for the same reason kids do. Oh, and kids DO kill kids. Remember those two 9 year olds (I think they were 9) in the UK about 10 years ago who killed a toddler? And the teenage gangbangers who kill? As for my advocating for the southern states , it is for the same reason I defend Bush. Not so much for love of the south or Bush, but for a love of the truth. I'm sick and tired of the PC lynching, revisionist history, and outright lies about both. Mink wrote: "you can't deny all the killings, the treatment of the Black Folk in our country's history,". Care to show me where I denied it? I'm pretty sure I didn't. What I did do is point out that it happend in the north too. And that in many ways race relations were better in the antebellum south than in the antebellum north. Take for example black soldiers in the Civil War. The Federal army didn't induct them until '63 I believe. And then only in segregated regiments under white officers. Free blacks were members of militia units in the south, side by side with their white neighbors. When those units were called into service in the national army, even though offically the CS army didn't induct blacks, they went along, fighting for their country. There were black non-coms, chaplains, surgeons, soldiers. I think it was Battery C of the Richmond Howitzers was manned by free blacks. Yep, black Confederate cannoneers. That means they could read, write, cypher, and knew some Euclid. Take a read through this site: memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.htmlYeah, you will see a fair number telling of bad treatment. But an amazing number tell of beign treated very well, even to the extent of being almost like family. |
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Post by Mink on Aug 19, 2008 22:54:53 GMT -5
Subdjoe, please quit while you're not that far behind.....sigh
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 20, 2008 9:14:19 GMT -5
Subdjoe, please quit while you're not that far behind.....sigh Care to explain that, Mink? You keep (politely) telling me to shut up. I was addressing your comments about how bad the south was, and by implication how great the north was. I pointed out that racism was alive and well in the north. Seems you don't want to hear the truth. <smacks himself on the head> Oh, that's right! You have the Truth! So truth is irrelevent. |
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