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Post by The New Guy on Aug 18, 2008 23:14:13 GMT -5
TBD, I didn't say all aging people have memory issues, but it is more likely to happen with older people. wow, we have a sage among us. that was brilliant, JMO, just brilliant.  |
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 18, 2008 23:15:39 GMT -5
Kudos to Obama for participating in this ridiculous "thing" who twisted his arm? |
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Post by Mink on Aug 18, 2008 23:23:40 GMT -5
Kudos to Obama for participating in this ridiculous "thing" who twisted his arm? excuse me? |
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Post by saunterelle on Aug 19, 2008 0:32:01 GMT -5
Mink is right. Obama's answers showed a complex thought process involved in coming to his answers as evidenced here:
McCain gave Bush-style "black or white" answers. Good for campaigning but not real world situations.
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Post by ferrous on Aug 19, 2008 8:44:53 GMT -5
Apparently you did not watch any of the Saddleback Forum on Saturday where Senator Obama spent an hour waffling and trying to find non-answers and Senator McCain spent an hour answering directly, personally, cogently and with an occassional spot of humor. No confusion apparent. It seems the Obama camp has found a reason why McCain came out so strong with answers while Obama continues his stammering and stuttering with unrehearsed scripts. Sen. McCain's letter to Steve Capus President, NBC News protesting the level of objectivity at NBC News. Reffering to [NBC’s Andrea Mitchell on “Meet the Press” questioning whether McCain might have gotten a heads-up on some of the questions that were asked of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who was the first candidate to be interviewed Saturday night by Pastor Rick Warren at a presidential forum on faith.] Here is the letter sent: August 17, 2008 Mr. Steve Capus President, NBC News 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10112 Steve: We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to undercut John McCain. Mitchell: "The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because what they are putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well-prepared." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/17/08) Nowhere was this more evident than with NBC chief correspondent Andrea Mitchell's comments on "Meet the Press" this morning. In analyzing last night's presidential forum at Saddleback Church, Mitchell expressed the Obama campaign spin that John McCain could only have done so well last night because he "may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama." Here are Andrea Mitchell's comments in full: Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night's forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of "Meet the Press" viewers with no indication that 1.) There's not one shred of evidence that it's true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren's idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, "I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;" 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot. Indeed, instead of taking a critical journalistic approach to this spin, Andrea Mitchell did what has become a pattern for her of simply repeating Obama campaign talking points. This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign's spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama's segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President..... We are concerned that your News Division is following MSNBC's lead in abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race. We would like to request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss our deep concerns about the news standards and level of objectivity at NBC. Sincerely, Rick Davis Campaign Manager John McCain 2008 _____________________________ www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12594.html |
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Post by ferrous on Aug 19, 2008 8:46:51 GMT -5
I just figured it out, Barack Obama reminds me of Mel Tillis.  |
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Post by mrbose on Aug 19, 2008 10:50:33 GMT -5
Dear Boss,
I have enjoyed working here these past several years. You have paid me very well, given me benefits beyond belief. I have 3-4 months off per year and a pension plan that will pay my salary till the day I die and a health plan that most people can only dream about. Despite this I plan to take the next 12-18 months to find a new position. During this time I will show up for work when it is convenient. In addition, I fully expect to draw my full salary and all the other perks associated with my current job. And if my search for this new job proves fruitless, I will be back with no loss in pay or status. Before you say anything, remember that you have no choice in the matter. I can and will do this.
Sincerely, Every Senator or Congressman running for President.
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Post by The Big Dog on Aug 19, 2008 12:50:52 GMT -5
Edited: Now that I see this forum is at an Evangelical Church, it is already in an inappropriate place for this kind of event. I'm sorry, but church and state should be kept separate as possible even though we are a praying nation.
Kudos to Obama for participating in this ridiculous "thing" Are you kidding me? The concept of the seperation between church and state, and it is a concept not otherwise defined in the Constitution as such by the way, has to do with requiring the government not to compel any single religion or theology over another. Thats it. Nothing more. The last time I looked a political campaign was not "the state". Although I can see how with near super majority single party rule in California for so long, and the country seemingly poised on the brink of the same with this election, one might assume what Mink does. So by Mink's assertion we can then presume that any and all Democrat campaign events put on by Democrats at churchs around the country, which often play like revival meetings are "out of bounds"? I'll be sure and have the police at the next Obama rally held in a church to crush it. If Mink cared to study a bit of American history she might learn that churches, as places of assembly, formed our earliest caucusing points during election campaigns. It was where people gathered to hear the news and engage in the debate which was and is essential to our political process. To this day many churches open their doors as polling places. Since Pastor Warren's Saddleback Church seats upwards of 20,000 I should think that Mink would be happy to see that many folks coming out to (politely and seriously) listen to what Senator Obama has to say... without benenfit of a free rock concert to gather and warm the crowd as was seen in Portland and Berlin. Probably saved the campaign a lot of money not having to hire some hot band. But no... because in watching the entire event from start to finish it was very clear that Mr. Obama was out of his depth, we get the Obama campaign calling "cheat" and the talking point parrots, such as Mink and Saunterelle spinning bilge that the event was "ridiculous", somehow unconstitutional and that McCain's decisive, forthright answers were not a good demonstration of leadership potential while Obama's occasionally piddling and rambling answers were "thoughtful". Demonstrating again that the Democrats are a bunch of sore losers. And this final disclaimer... I'm not a hardcore McCain supporter. As a conservative he doesn't do a lot for me and he has a number of positions that I find politically repugnant. In the end I may have to hold my nose and vote for him as the significantly lesser of two evils.  |
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 19, 2008 19:06:27 GMT -5
Something that the bamaheads forget is that McCain was a PILOT. Part of his training is to make quick decisions. Maybe that is why he was able to give quick answers. Also, he knows how he stands on the various issues and doesn't try to taylor them to fit his audience. In fact, he is willing to take a stand on issues. Unlike Barry who might as well not show up for votes on controversial issues.
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Post by saunterelle on Aug 19, 2008 22:02:01 GMT -5
Give me a break. He gave a bunch of one line answers telling people what they wanted to hear. And he knew the questions in advance, they were the same ones Obama was asked minutes before McCain went on. McCain listened to it on the radio.
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Post by Mink on Aug 19, 2008 22:23:01 GMT -5
"Bamaheads"? There is no need to resort to childish name-calling subdjoe. This forum was held at an Evangelical church, (not that there is anything wrong with that), however, they are pretty much established Republican-oriented. It is being suggested that McCain was not in the planned "cone of silence" and he knew in advance what the questions would be. He needs all the help he can get and this made him appear "ready" to do the "job"..........for some.
Now, I don't want to be accused of being a "sore-head" because of this, but it seems there will be no way around it. All I can say is , McCain needed a crutch.
I would have liked to hear more elaboration from his one-liner answers. I mean, if "evil" is construed as Osama bin laden, for example, why don't any of McCain supporters question why didn't bush accomplish that very important mission that McCain made it out to be?
Regarding politics and church (Big Dog), yes, polling places are held in churches, true. That should be the limit.
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 19, 2008 23:34:15 GMT -5
Remember that next time you are tempted to use some of your favorite terms, Mink. Words like "Bushies" and "pubies" and 'neo-cons." Oh, I forgot again - the left can do or say anything because they are the repository of the Revealed Truth. So their words and acts are true and righteous altogether.
Nice turn around. First you say that it is unacceptable for it to be held at a church. Now you are saying that there is nothing wrong with it. then you turn around and contradict yourself again and say "Regarding politics and church (Big Dog), yes, polling places are held in churches, true. That should be the limit. " So, which is it? No contact at all as you posted earlier? OK for polling places but nothing else? OK as a stage for debates? Hmmm.....here is one for you - should the Dahli Lama be allowed to give a lecture at a state university? That seems to be a serious breech of the 'wall of separation' so prized by the left.
So far I have seen no proof of those claims. Other than the left whining that because McCain is a 'pubie' to use one of your favorite terms, Mink, that he obviously can't think, so he must have cheated. Once again the left is confusing what they want and how they feel with reality.
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