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Post by subdjoe on Jul 11, 2010 22:48:15 GMT -5
Big Dog:The reason I asked about inside the home protection was on behalf of JMO and her recently released son. I thought a taser would be a solution until the cops come around.... From her description of the situation, she wants more than a Taser. If a Taser doesn't do the job all it does is piss off the target. Something like Big Dogs suggestion, low base shells, # 2 or # 4 shot. Drastic, yes, but might be necessary. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Jul 11, 2010 23:08:22 GMT -5
The reason I asked about inside the home protection was on behalf of JMO and her recently released son. I thought a taser would be a solution until the cops come around....
It might, however the effects are not long lasting, even with a good strike on both probes and solid contact. The upside of the current civilian model, the C2 is that it delivers it's charge for a full 30 seconds to allow time for the user to get the heck outta Dodge. It can also be used as a contact device in a close quarters situation. The law enforcement standard M26 and X26 deliver a jolt for only 5-10 seconds each time the trigger is pressed so that officers can take the offender into custody in quick order. |
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Post by Mink on Jul 11, 2010 23:23:50 GMT -5
The reason I asked about inside the home protection was on behalf of JMO and her recently released son. I thought a taser would be a solution until the cops come around....
It might, however the effects are not long lasting, even with a good strike on both probes and solid contact. The upside of the current civilian model, the C2 is that it delivers it's charge for a full 30 seconds to allow time for the user to get the heck outta Dodge. It can also be used as a contact device in a close quarters situation. The law enforcement standard M26 and X26 deliver a jolt for only 5-10 seconds each time the trigger is pressed so that officers can take the offender into custody in quick order. This is all very useful information. From the link you provided of the C2, it just might be an option for JMO and her family. Thank you Big Dog. |
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Post by Mink on Jul 11, 2010 23:27:10 GMT -5
Big Dog:The reason I asked about inside the home protection was on behalf of JMO and her recently released son. I thought a taser would be a solution until the cops come around.... From her description of the situation, she wants more than a Taser. If a Taser doesn't do the job all it does is piss off the target. Something like Big Dogs suggestion, low base shells, # 2 or # 4 shot. Drastic, yes, but might be necessary. , I don't know about low base shells, #2 or #4, but it appears to be a gun. I would think JMO would choose something less harmful, like a taser and a gun as her last option (but what do I know). |
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Post by subdjoe on Jul 11, 2010 23:40:47 GMT -5
From her description of the situation, she wants more than a Taser. If a Taser doesn't do the job all it does is piss off the target. Something like Big Dogs suggestion, low base shells, # 2 or # 4 shot. Drastic, yes, but might be necessary. , I don't know about low base shells, #2 or #4, but it appears to be a gun. I would think JMO would choose something less harmful, like a taser and a gun as her last option (but what do I know). As I said, drastic. Jargon, low power with large bird shot. I wouldn't suggest for over about 15 yards, but most in home use would be 7 or less. And those loads would lessen the chance of over penetration or going through lots of walls. |
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Post by crossride on Jul 12, 2010 18:40:00 GMT -5
b) Mehserle's experience may or may not be a factor. He was on the job for slightly less than two years, but had plenty of opportunities to be in similar arrest situations so from that stand point it's fairly safe to assume that this was not new ground for him. He had no sustained complaints of inappropriate use of force in his file. Some people just aren't cut out for the job in the end. Despite all the training, testing, and evaluation, that first high stress test can be failed. Usually before it matters as much as it did this time. And I can't find a thing about the case that tells me he meant to kill Grant, either. When I was Taser trained, with the M26, it was ALWAYS on the weak side, and in a thigh holster (though the smaller X26 was worn on the belt on the weak side). Not in cross draw, but left hand draw position, too. Even though I can't possible imagine confusing the two from my experience, I'm sure it can still happen, especially in a drawn out situation with multiple "draws" of some sort. |
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Post by heckheckle on Aug 5, 2010 4:03:55 GMT -5
Mehserle never intended to shoot Grant with his firearm. It was an accidental shooting.
Everyone was trying to let Mehserle go, but they were afraid of a riot if they didn't give him some kind of sentence. Even some in Grants family said they didn't believe he meant to shoot Grant. Just because it did happen, doesn't mean Mehserle should go to prison for it. Some people said, "Well, he did shoot him". That does not always mean that a cop should go to
prison if he was just trying to do his job. Mehserle had no "Intent" to shoot Grant with his
firearm. Is there anyone in their right mind, who believes Mehserle intended to shoot Grant with his firearm?
Edit: In reading over BD's Post, Paragraph "A" states that his opinion is that the shooting was an accident.
Mehserle should have been found not guilty, but that would have caused a riot. Sad state of affairs.
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Post by Joe Cocker on Apr 16, 2011 16:38:11 GMT -5
Did you see two men were convicted in court that they took jewelery during the riot. Two men who were arrested for looting during protests in Oakland last year have each been ordered to pay $25,000 to the owner of a jewelry store, a spokesman for the city attorney's office said today. Oakland resident Terry Williams and Gerald Dugas, of Castro Valley, were arrested during a wave of looting that took place during protests in downtown Oakland following the July 8 conviction of former BART police officer Johannes Mehserle, Oakland City Attorney spokesman Alex Katz said. Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for fatally shooting Oscar Grant at the Fruitvale BART Station on Jan. 1, 2009. Williams and Dugas were part of a crowd of more than 200 looters that broke through a security gate JC Jewelry at 1940 Broadway and stole thousands of dollars worth of jewelry, Katz said. Looters also kicked in a window and punched a store employee, according to the city attorney's office. Police arrested Williams and Dugas after finding gold jewelry stolen from the store in their pockets, according to the city attorney's office. Oakland's Neighborhood Law Corps, a division of the city attorney's office, sued the two men for damages on Oct. 28, 2010. Alameda County Superior Court Judge Richard Kelley ordered Williams and Dugas to pay $25,000 each in restitution to the owner of JC Jewelry, according to the city attorney's office. "Oakland has a proud tradition of nonviolent protest and dissent," Oakland City Attorney John Russo said in a statement. "Those who use protests as nothing more than a cover to trash our town or loot homegrown businesses should consider carefully the court's ruling." Want more news, sent to your inbox every day? Then how about subscribing to our email newsletter? Here's why we think you should. Come on, give it a try. They will never collect it. sfappeal.com/news/2011/04/-apr-14-2011---1.php |
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