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Post by The New Guy on May 20, 2011 11:53:10 GMT -5
okay, the title was just a tease. we all know (but some don't want to admit) that obama has a "hate-on" for israel. it's how he was raised.
what do you all think of the speech he read yesterday re: israel/palestine? 1967 borders?
i propose we take our politicians back to pre-2008.
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Post by Mink on May 20, 2011 21:13:35 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with Obama's speech yesterday. Israelis need to get along without our monetary contribution, period. Frankly, we can't afford it anymore.
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Post by danceswithdogs on May 20, 2011 22:08:34 GMT -5
Sure, we can only afford to keep pumping money into Afghanistan, Pakistan, Korea, Libya....oh hell, I'm going to run out of space here.
Point is,Mink....Isreal is (or was until Obama showed his true rag-head loving colors) an our ally in the Middle East! We had better keep providing support to Israel. Are you willing to own the alternative? Obama shows where his allegiance lies, and it is NOT with America and her allies.
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Post by Mink on May 20, 2011 22:13:28 GMT -5
Dances, is Israel really an ally? If so, they are responsible for their own backyard, not us.
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Post by subdjoe on May 22, 2011 22:56:34 GMT -5
Expecting Israel to go back to the pre-1967 borders is asking Israel to commit suicide. You don't had back such good ground for staging attacks or siting artillery to people who have sworn to kill you. The areas that Israel took were used for those before she confiscated them.
EVERY major Israeli city, industry, and agricultural areas would be, quite literally, under Arab guns.
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Post by danceswithdogs on May 22, 2011 23:50:16 GMT -5
Mink, yes, Israel is not only an ally, but a friend (at least up until Obammy waltzed into the White House and started screwing all of our allies).
There's going to be a lot of repairing to do when that clown gets tossed out of office.
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Post by Joe Cocker on May 24, 2011 11:28:00 GMT -5
Dances, is Israel really an ally? If so, they are responsible for their own backyard, not us. Should explain the story of why, or is it twisted and inside out? |
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Post by Mink on May 24, 2011 23:14:15 GMT -5
The heckler (Code-Pinker), was from the bay area and Jewish to boot! www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=89628>a=commentform#commentformquote: A San Francisco woman interrupted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to a joint session of Congress Tuesday. Check out the video here of Code Pinker Rae Abileah's interruption -- and turn the volume up WAY high, because you can barely hear her say, "Stop Israeli war crimes." The Pinkers describe the Half Moon Bay native as "a young Jewish American of Israeli descent" who now lives in SF. Netanyahu briefly paused as Capitol law enforcement removed Abileah. He followed up with an ad lib about how great it was to be in a "real democracy" where folks can freely express their displeasure with government. She was charged with disrupting Congress. Abileah's statement, courtesy of the Pinkers:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu says that the 1967 borders are indefensible. But what is really indefensible is the occupation of land, the starvation of Gaza, the jailing of dissenters and the lack of equal rights in the alleged Israeli democracy. As a Jew and an American taxpayer, I can't be silent when these crimes are being committed in my name and with my tax money." |
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Post by subdjoe on May 25, 2011 11:22:47 GMT -5
The heckler (Code-Pinker), was from the bay area and Jewish to boot! Which shows how thorough the brain washing of the left, and how filled with hate towards Jews it is. And how little grasp of history the pinkies have. She parrots the lefts anti-Jew party line perfectly. Kind of surprised she didn't throw in a few "Death to Israels" there. By the way, did you notice that Goldstone repudiated his report in which he said that Israel had a policy of committing war crimes in Gaza? Seems like his Napoleonic Code "Guilty until proven innocent" didn't hold up. Good leftist that he is, he of course blamed Israel for not letting him examine all their national secrets. |
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Post by subdjoe on May 25, 2011 21:53:13 GMT -5
By the way, Mink, did you catch that Netanyahu makes an amazing point. Of the millions of Muslims in the Middle East, only a tiny percentage of them have democratic rights…because they’re fortunate enough to be citizens of Israel.
And, of course, his truthful comment about not being able to have a protest like the pinker staged in any of the tyrannies she supports.
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Post by Joe Cocker on May 26, 2011 11:03:17 GMT -5
I'm guessing you missed the part they are willing to give some land back, but they need to toss out the destruction of Israel. Then the talks will begin.
Then the Muslims in Israel are free to practice their religion. They are freer than in Palestine. One million in Israel.
Now how is that Democracy doing in Egypt?
The Egyptian Revolution is a case in point. Christians and Moslems demonstrated together in Tahrir Square and other places calling for the overthrow of the Mubarak regime in hope of a better future. The Mubarak regime suffered from the same corruption and elitist domination of the economy by certain chosen groups. US President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praised the "democratic revolution" in Egypt as they are now doing in Libya.
When the US Administration was warned of the dangers of the Muslims Brotherhood, Secretary Clinton's response was: "They are only a 30% minority."
The problem is that throughout the Middle East, the governments are usually controlled by the minority, not the majority. By the way, Hitler came to power in Germany in January of 1933 with only 30% of the German democratic vote. Khomeini in Iran came to power in 1979 leading a wall-to-wall coalition of democratic forces, but in the end it was his fanatic group of fundamentalist Shi'ites that eliminated all the other groups leaving only Khomeini's group in power.
So today, the Egyptian Army in partnership with the Muslims Brotherhood are now the ruling forces. And there should be no doubt that the agenda in Egypt has never been for democracy, nor is it now. On the contrary, the Islamic motto is: We kill the Jews on Saturday, and we kill the Christians on Sunday.
Now that there are no more Jews in Egypt (Saturday people), the Moslems say: "We will go for the Sunday people" (the Christians).
There is no doubt that the condition of the Coptic Egyptian minority is indeed dire. Woman are being kidnapped, raped and forced to marry Moslem men who can anyway have multiple wives. When Christians protest about this, the Moslems riot and kill the Christians. Churches are being burned down and Christians gunned down. My fear is that the Egyptian Coptic community faces imminent and massive ethnic cleansing if not outright Holocaust at the hands of the Muslims.
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Post by jgaffney on May 26, 2011 12:37:24 GMT -5
One of the major hurdles that the Palestinians, and some liberals here, have to get over is the continued reference to the West Bank as "occupied territories." The Palestinians continue to assert a right to that area as if Israel invaded their homeland and refuses to leave.
Here's the truth: The West Bank was never sovereign Palestinian territory. Prior to the 1948 establishment of Israel, the West Bank was part of Trans Jordan, a nation created by the British as they were carving up the Ottoman empire after World War I. The day after the UN passed the resolution re-creating Israel, Arab armies launched attacks against the new nation, staging from the West Bank, the Golan Heights and the Sinai Penninsula. The Arabs were so confident that they could wipe out the Israelis quickly that they encouraged the Palestinians to leave their homes in Israel because they would be able to move back in a few months when all of the shooting was over.
Well, the Israelis proved much more resilient that the Arabs imagined, and they survived that war, plus several more over the ensuing decades. In the 1967 war, the Israelis were able to drive the Arab armies out of the West Bank and take control of the area. In a peace agreement signed between Israel and Jordan in 1972, Jordan ceded the West Bank to Israel, making it sovereign Israeli territory. This would be analogous to the Mexican-American War, when California became part of the US by the Treaty of Hidalgo.
In his speech to the Congress, Netanyahu said that he is ready to recognize an independent Palestine, and challenged the Palestinians to recognize an independent Israel. I would say that the ball is in the Palestinians' court right now.
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