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Post by Mink on Sept 21, 2008 23:24:40 GMT -5
Very recently, a regular poster of good standing, had blown his fuse and called particular posters "a**holes". Now, I was politely warned not to spam and I explained that spam wasn't my intent, but to get a point across. Will this regular poster of good standing also receive the same polite warning? Is this behavior of name-calling being overlooked at the distress of recipients it was intended for? As Moderator, I must say this is unacceptable and goes beyond respect of the forum and I don't wish to wait until after elections for an answer.  |
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 22, 2008 7:33:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a bit shocked. But, I think that was his intent. Sort of like your posting a quantity of comments from another forum "to make a point." He chose to make his point in a strong and blunt manner in order to shock us. I think that this was addressed in "Forum Language" several months ago. In fact, I believe that use this exact word was what started the Forum Language thread and poll. And the CONSENSUS arrived at through a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS (remember that whole "will of the people" thing - 50% + 1 means anything is OK) was that because sometimes the shock value was intended or needed we would not censor this word.
Personally, I find the use of "asshole" less offensive than the lefts juvenile slurs like "neocon," "bushie," or "pubbie." And much less offensive than racist slurs such as "redneck." I'm pretty sure that you are not fond of my use of the coined word "fascilib" (for those of you new here, that is "fascist liberal").
That said, if he, or anyone else, were to make it a regular part of the lexicon here, then I would be sorely tempted to give a warning or two.
Summation? Yeah, he was being an a-hole for calling some people assholes, but even a-holes have rights.
Added - look up that Sandra Bernhart (sp?) clip that someone posted on another thread. That is pretty typical of what I hear from o so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive leftists whenever I dare to express opinions that differ from theirs.
If you view the long version of Sandras oh, so tolerant commentary I'm sure you will enjoy her calling for blacks to gang rape Gov. Palin. Yep. The left can do no wrong.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 22, 2008 8:09:32 GMT -5
Silly me, when we voted to allow the usage of the word asshole I didn't consider that we'd be using it on each other. I was thinking it would be used to express anger toward someone in the media, and no not a politician necessarily.
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Post by ferrous on Sept 22, 2008 8:18:08 GMT -5
The Big Dog clearly wrote:
"In short and in total, once again we are going to go through the next 40 days with attack after petulant attack while completely ignoring substance. Such is the way of the modern Democrat party. Litle wonder why Joe won't caucus with them even though he has been a Democrat pretty much forever.
Well I don't need that. It sucks, all of you practicing it are assholes. See you after the election."
So I guess that if Mink and JMO were offended, they must be guilty of issuing "attack after petulant attack while completely ignoring substance."
I'm having to agree with The Big Dog on this one. These types of posters are definitly "assholes."
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 22, 2008 8:35:41 GMT -5
Ferrous, obviously you're entitled to agree with anyone you choose, but to start name calling is counter productive and I'm not quite sure that shoe fits my foot anyway! Thank you very much! (sarcasm)  People should be free to express their opinions regardless of whether they are popular with the majority or not, and with some sense of decorum otherwise the points are lost. And to add, Big Dog is someone I respect and I guess that's why his post in particular was more shocking to me. |
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Post by ferrous on Sept 22, 2008 8:52:03 GMT -5
Ferrous, obviously you're entitled to agree with anyone you choose, but to start name calling is counter productive and I'm not quite sure that shoe fits my foot anyway! Thank you very much! (sarcasm) People should be free to express their opinions regardless of whether they are popular with the majority or not, and with some sense of decorum otherwise the points are lost. And to add, Big Dog is someone I respect and I guess that's why his post in particular was more shocking to me. Then you agree that posters should be allowed to post : "attack after petulant attack while completely ignoring substance." and they shouldn't be ridiculed for questioned about it. In no way did The Big Dog call "anyone" an asshole in his response. Mink took offense because she just happens to be one of the biggest offenders. Your misdirected sarcasm is well taken. |
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 22, 2008 9:26:59 GMT -5
Ferrous, you should know by now that the left can say anything about anyone and it's jake because they are all oh, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive. They never stoop to name calling, no, never. They just use accurate lables like homophobe, woman hater, redneck, bigot, neocon, bushie, pubbie, and cracker. I'm sure I have left a few out.
Looks like maybe Big Dogs post was a bit of a wake up call, as you say, it seems to have hit close to the mark.
JMO wrote: "People should be free to express their opinions regardless of whether they are popular with the majority or not, and with some sense of decorum otherwise the points are lost. "
Oh LORD!!! Then you need to duct tape the mouths (and keyboards) of damn near every liberal in the countys of Sonoma, Marin, and San Francisco. I have never met a more close minded, intolerant, bigoted, foul-mouthed bunch of people anywhere. Listen to (or read) the vulgar, intolerant, hate-filled, filth that issues from their mouths and keyboards. (I;ll grant that a lot of the right wingers are not a whole lot better, but rarely do they quite literally shout people down, throw rocks at buses, break windows out of cars, etc). Yes, I come down harder on the left than I do on the right - the left claims to be tolerant, diverse, and inclusive(it says so on the box) but seem quite unable to accept any divergence from the party line and gang up like a pack of rabid coyotes on anyone who is different. Since the right doesn't beat the drum of being o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive (even though it pretty much is, more so than the left) I don't gig it as much.
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Post by saunterelle on Sept 22, 2008 11:05:52 GMT -5
The term"Bushie" is a valid one to use. Also, what's wrong with "neocon?"
The term "Bushie" became prominent during the investigation of the controversial replacement of several U.S. Attorneys when it was revealed that Justice Department official Kyle Sampson suggested in an e-mail to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft that
"we would like to replace 15-20 percent of the current U.S. Attorneys -- the underperforming ones . . . The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."
If those in the White House use it as a term of endearment, why can't we use it to describe their supporters?
Honestly, I don't mind being called an asshole as long as I am getting my point across. Also, Bigdog's gripe about petulant attack goes both ways. Look at how many threads here attack Obama for things that are a non-issue or perpetuate lies that are confirmed false. Wish I had more time to post here and right these wrongs but I've been incredibly busy lately. Will find more time soon.
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 22, 2008 15:54:05 GMT -5
Bingo.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 22, 2008 16:22:48 GMT -5
TBD, flatter yourself all you want, I did not take your asshole comment personally. I was merely shocked that you would stoop so low to call ANYONE an asshole who posts their thoughts and opinions based on how they perceive them. I gave YOU more credit, my mistake. As far your other post, I will work on it as I can given time constraints, so if I don't respond right away it's not because you shut me up...
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Post by Mink on Sept 22, 2008 19:25:24 GMT -5
When I started this thread I referenced a regular poster of good standing who blows a fuse and calls several people a**holes
for what he perceives as attack after attack, when in reality, he is he is watching others express their views and opinions with supporting facts/links.
It seems Big Dog is being excused for what the majority have decided early on that we would be able to handle such vulgarity so if someone felt the need to use the word "a**hole" it would be acceptable. I too remember this word "a**hole" would be used in reference to person or persons not of our forum because we were running away from this at the PD forums.
Nontheless, because Big Dog for some reason, finds he needs to lower his standards and ours, and aims his crap at us, we will take it like mature women and men........
so if I decide to call Big Dog an a**hole for calling others the same name, will I be excused? Can we all expect to get one or two jabs at this and not be warned?
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 22, 2008 19:48:00 GMT -5
I had already said I was done with you Mink, but let's make a few things clear.
Call me anything you feel applies. I can assure I've been called far worse in more serious social situations. What people call me doesn't really matter. I take nothing personally. And in so far as having "blown a fuse", I find that remark on your part both insulting and juvenile. You had absolutely no clue of my mindset, and chose to read your own perception into what were very clearly thought out and specifically crafted remarks. I would also point out that I did not, as you say above, single out any individual poster.
As far as your "standards", I can say only that your petulant posturing with the use of that word as relates to your debating tactics is significantly more than mildly amusing.
The bottom line is that I appear to have touched a nerve, which was exactly my intent. If being shocked a bit wakes you up to the rank hypocrisy and utter callousness of some of your posts, then my mission was accomplished.
However, if you chose to continue to live in empty rhetoric land, then you are pretty much beyond help and I'll look elsewhere for discussion of real issues and not hyperbole.
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