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Post by subdjoe on Sept 27, 2008 21:25:56 GMT -5
from: www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/kissinger.iran/index.html?section=cnn_latestWASHINGTON (CNN) -- After Friday night's presidential debate, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger defended Sen. John McCain's attack against Sen. Barack Obama for Obama's willingness to meet with the Iranian president "without precondition." Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says he is not in favor of negotiations with Iran at the presidential level. Immediately after the debate, the McCain campaign released a statement from Kissinger backing the Republican nominee's sentiments on structuring any talks with Iran. "Sen. McCain is right. I would not recommend the next president of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the presidential level," Kissinger said in the statement. "My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Sen. John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality." Seems like maybe Dr. K doesn't support Barry-boy. |
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Post by Mink on Sept 27, 2008 21:46:27 GMT -5
Kissinger has been documented of saying both statements....there goes his credibility.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 27, 2008 21:57:22 GMT -5
Or maybe Barry was quoting Dr. K out of context. I've just spent an hour trying to find the transcript of Dr. Ks saying meet with no preconditions. Everything I have found ends up going back to that ABC source which does not have the full transcript.
I see that Barry is now spinning and qualifing what he said. Now he is saying that there would need to be lower level meetings first (sounds like preconditions to me, how about you?)
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Post by surefire on Sept 28, 2008 0:01:01 GMT -5
Body language:
Is anyone noticing that McCain does not make eye contact when Obama attacks him? He sort of looks down or stares into space. Is this a sign of submission?
Most ex-military I know are more confrontational when attacked on issues-- and will at least make constant eye contact.
I'm not sure what to make of this....
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 28, 2008 1:27:52 GMT -5
Not a sign of submission, that I see. Rather it is a sign of dismissal... as in "talk to the hand". In that reference McCain refusing to make eye contact is sending the message that he doesn't care what Obama says because it doesn't matter to either McCain or the process.
Obama did, several times, make eye contact with the camera hence with all of us. McCain kept himself focused on the moderator and the audience. That is one area where I felt McCain's approach came up short.
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Post by Mink on Sept 28, 2008 13:31:49 GMT -5
Or maybe Barry was quoting Dr. K out of context. I've just spent an hour trying to find the transcript of Dr. Ks saying meet with no preconditions. Everything I have found ends up going back to that ABC source which does not have the full transcript. I see that Barry is now spinning and qualifing what he said. Now he is saying that there would need to be lower level meetings first (sounds like preconditions to me, how about you?) I spend about the same time searching for this tidbit and found a link on a blog. As for Obama re-defining talks by suggesting lower level meetings, they're still talks, so I don't see a spin. |
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Post by Mink on Sept 28, 2008 13:36:36 GMT -5
Body language: Is anyone noticing that McCain does not make eye contact when Obama attacks him? He sort of looks down or stares into space. Is this a sign of submission? Most ex-military I know are more confrontational when attacked on issues-- and will at least make constant eye contact. I'm not sure what to make of this.... Yes, as I mentioned earlier, the commentator attempts to get the two candidates to talk to one another. Mccain's body didn't shift, nor would he look Obama's way. I don't think the tactic worked for him personally. Working with ex-military in the past, I agree, they communicate directly and there is no mistake who they are talking to, confrontational or not. |
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 28, 2008 14:01:01 GMT -5
Or maybe Barry was quoting Dr. K out of context. I've just spent an hour trying to find the transcript of Dr. Ks saying meet with no preconditions. Everything I have found ends up going back to that ABC source which does not have the full transcript. I see that Barry is now spinning and qualifing what he said. Now he is saying that there would need to be lower level meetings first (sounds like preconditions to me, how about you?) I spend about the same time searching for this tidbit and found a link on a blog. As for Obama re-defining talks by suggesting lower level meetings, they're still talks, so I don't see a spin. Can you find it again and post the link to the transcript please? As for Barrys spin, there is a world of difference between "I'll sit down and talk without contitions" and "I'll have my flunkies meet with your flunkies and work something out." Hence spin. |
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 28, 2008 14:14:07 GMT -5
If John McCain hac been talking to someone who was an adult, or was deserving of his respect, I'm sure he would have faced him directly.
This Man-Child in the Promised Land spoke in tired change-speak, and pitched his anti-military(more like anti-military-action, really)red meat to the whole grain, hemp-garbed masses.
A more self-elevated elitist can hardly be imagined, though Jean Francois Kerry did come close.
The One really wrapped up the military vote(and their families)with his "this war should never have been fought" spiel.
Good luck with that one, Barry.
I'll predict continuing deterioration in his mojo, culminating in an embarassing loss.
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Post by Mink on Sept 28, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -5
I spend about the same time searching for this tidbit and found a link on a blog. As for Obama re-defining talks by suggesting lower level meetings, they're still talks, so I don't see a spin. Can you find it again and post the link to the transcript please? As for Barrys spin, there is a world of difference between "I'll sit down and talk without contitions" and "I'll have my flunkies meet with your flunkies and work something out." Hence spin. I'll have to look further for the transcript, buth here is another link supporting Kissinger's opinion to talk with Iran: deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,695261802,00.html?printView=true quote- Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said the U.S. should negotiate directly with Iran over its nuclear program and other bilateral issues. "One should be prepared to negotiate, and I think we should be prepared to negotiate about Iran," Kissinger, who brokered the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur war and peace talks with the North Vietnamese, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Asked whether he meant the U.S. should hold direct talks, Kissinger, 84, responded: "Yes, I think we should." The Nobel Peace Prize winner said any direct talks between the U.S. and Iran on issues such as the nuclear dispute would be most likely to succeed if they first involved only diplomatic staff and progressed to the level of secretary of state before the heads of state meet. ______________________________________________ Subdjoe, I doubt Obama will have any "flunkies" on his cabinet. |
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 28, 2008 14:48:57 GMT -5
Does that mean direct talks w/POTUS Obama, or w/Sec. of State Kanye West?
Just trying to clarify.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 28, 2008 15:12:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that one, Mink. And following links in it, get back to the ABC page. I want the full transcript so I can see the context of what Dr. K said.
As for Barry-boy not having flunkies - there are assisitant sub-under-secretaries up the wazoo in ANY adminstration. And your comment didn't really address the point I was making - that being that "there is a world of difference between "I'll sit down and talk without contitions" and "I'll have my flunkies meet with your flunkies and work something out." Of course, he blamed everyone for mistaking his meaning when he said that the would sit down and talk with no preconditions. So, he didn't change what he had been saying, we just didn't understand this master orator. Yeah, right. His contempt for the American people is amazing.
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