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Post by subdjoe on Sept 27, 2008 9:59:34 GMT -5
I have no idea who "won" that thing. But sure as hell, the American people loose.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 27, 2008 10:22:39 GMT -5
I am not trying to start anything here, honest. I am just genuinely surprised that you feel that way. I thought I would read from most here that McCain was the best...Interesting.
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Post by surefire on Sept 27, 2008 10:40:34 GMT -5
Obama won IMO, and this spells doom for McCain. Losing the debate that he had the best chance at winning is the nail in the coffin.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 27, 2008 11:34:30 GMT -5
If I had to pick a "winner" it would be McCain. Barry offered his usual "Blame Bush" and "Change" plus seemed lost or maybe hesitant, and had some problems um..ahhh...speaking. Oh, and he seemed somewhat rude, too. McCain didn't really do well on domestic policy. Neither one said anything new, neither on really impressed me either way.
As I said on some other thread, these "debates" don't really bring out anything new. If people don't know where the candidates stand by now, a few scripted things like this are not going to reveal anything to them that they don't already know.
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 27, 2008 11:41:45 GMT -5
The financial mess portion for the first half hour was, essentially, a draw I think. Senator Obama looked okay and sounded okay, but his answers were very non-specific. He and Senator McCain both gave non-answers to a couple of points in that portion but neither were really called on it which is kind of a shame. But the difference between them is that Obama was largely giving policy wonk answers; no sharp edges, precious little specifics but droning on and on. McCain was giving, with a couple of exceptions, direct answers the whole night.
McCain won the foreign policy / national defense portion going away. He really rose up at the end and closed with probably about as much of a flourish as he could muster. Obama came off snotty several times with his continual smirking (his peeps need to train him to not do that) and his interrupting. I was flipping channels for the after debate spin and several commentators noted that Obama was using "John" nearly all night, while McCain was using "Senator Obama" exclusively to decribe his opponent. Disrespect versus respect clearly was in play there. Obama was obviously trying to get McCain to pop off and it didn't work out for him., and he came off as somewhat disrespectful and petty.
I think that may have frustrated Obama a bit, and McCain clearly was able to get under Obama's skin at least twice that I noticed.
In all fairness I think it was a draw. Unfortunately a draw probably helps Obama. We'll see in about three days when the polls catch up.
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Post by mrbose on Sept 27, 2008 13:44:02 GMT -5
It`s all scripted, Clowns (1) american voter (0) ;D
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Post by Mink on Sept 27, 2008 14:01:03 GMT -5
I was surprised and glad they started the debate on the economy, not that it helped. Personally, I think Obama had the advantage in that this should have been Mccain's to take home.
Lehrer did his best to get them to face each other, to no avail. This made Mccain look uncooperative or stubborn or afraid or whatever. If it was strategy, I don't know that it helped or worked.
Obama did seem to snicker, but I think it's because of Mccain's twisting of Obama's views. I'm wondering if Obama's statement of Kissinger on talks with Iran is also a bit of twisting too.
I'm curious what the fact check will uncover- but all in all, I think Mccain needed a win and if anything, it was closer to a draw.
Advantage- Obama.
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 27, 2008 16:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mink on Sept 27, 2008 19:24:54 GMT -5
If you read the following comments after the article, it looks like the author watched a different debate. No one agreed...hhmm |
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 27, 2008 19:39:37 GMT -5
I haven't seen a Presidential debate that was worth a whit since I watched Lincoln/Douglas on CNN in 1860.
Of course,, the TV was kerosene powered.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 27, 2008 19:50:19 GMT -5
If you read the following comments after the article, it looks like the author watched a different debate. No one agreed...hhmm Which doesn't make him wrong. But, as usual, you are wrong. If you had bothered to read more that that first page of comments you would have seen that a fair number feel that Barry-boy flopped and that John-boy "won" the debate. I like how you parroted the 25% of posts (approximate percentage) that were comments suggesting that the writer was watching some other debate. How original. Barry-boy was supposed to blow John out of the water with his supposedly smooth, erudite oratory and command of all subjects. He came of as uncomfortable, unsure, rude, and out of his element. If it was anywhere close, it is a loss for Barry-boy. Figure he didn't beat the spread. |
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Post by Mink on Sept 27, 2008 20:36:20 GMT -5
In regards to Kissinger supporting talks with Iran, here is a link syaing he does: blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/kissinger-backs.htmlQuote: ABC News' Rachel Martin Reports: Former U.S.Secretary of State Henry Kissinger today told an audience in Washington, DC that the U.S. should negotiate with Iran "without conditions" and that the next President should begin such negotiations at a high level. ______________________________________________ |
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