Practical application, spreading the wealth

[saunterelle]

You're half right. That is also part of Obama's plan. To give tax credits to businesses that work on developing alternative energy solutions.

[maxsawdust]

Sunterelle you have been smited for ONCE AGAIN COMPETELY ignoring the FACTS I have laid out for you.

You refuse to address my points with FACTUAL back up.

Yet you continue to run from forum to forum spouting this "Obscene" 10% profit bullshit.

Typical cannot confront or even respond to FACT.

[subdjoe]

Oct 30, 2008 17:24:42 GMT -5 saunterelle said:

You're half right. That is also part of Obama's plan. To give tax credits to businesses that work on developing alternative energy solutions.

OK, let me get this right. You want to place extortionate taxes on oil companies. Then give them that money back for their work on alternative energy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Create more burrocracy (sic), more layers of paperwork and red tape, siphon off more money to pay for more government workers to oversee all this stuff. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

And you still haven't answered what the dollar amount that 2/10 of 1% comes to. Ten bucks? Ten million bucks? A hundred million bucks? I would be willing to bet a beer that what Exxon puts into alt energy research beats the hell out of what all the little so called green companies spend put together. And likely is more effective too.

You also ignore that it isn't the governments job to pay for this stuff. Nowhere in the Constitution is Congress authorized to do what Barry and you are suggesting.

[Mink]

Oct 29, 2008 1:07:13 GMT -5 subdjoe said:

Oct 29, 2008 0:12:33 GMT -5 Mink said:

I don't watch FOX and I don't have to wait for someone to give me an idea.

I'm so tired of your rhetoric and defense of a president who's ratings are the lowest if not close to it. I honestly think you believe what you're saying, but just look around or are you in a bubble?

And I'm tired of hate filled, bigoted, leftist lynch mobs howleing after Bush for every rumor, half truth, lie, and inuendo put out by rich white socialists. Then, when presented with FACTS rather than the Revealed Truth they ignore it.

What facts are you talking about? Is it the Republican trademark “low taxes” and “strong military” that really stand for high public debt and a more dangerous world?

[bolverk]

Oct 30, 2008 13:54:54 GMT -5 @bolverk said:

Oct 30, 2008 13:11:37 GMT -5 saunterelle said:

Exxon just posted a new record for 3rd quarter profits. Over $14 billion in profit for one quarter . It's time to tax these windfall profits and start building the infrastructure for alternative energy in America.

Let me ask you some questions.

When you put this windfall tax on Exxon, do you think they will just increase their prices to make up the difference? Or do you think they will just pay the tax and eat the difference?

How will you prevent them from raising the prices if we do put on a windfall tax? Are you going to slap price controls on them as well?

Don't you believe in investments? Should not someone with the means invest in alternative energy in America? If it is so necessary wouldn't that make it highly profitable? Why should we have to rely on government to do it for us?

saunterelle, I would like to hear your answer to these questions. Or are you intentionally ignoring them?

[Mink]

It looks like gratuities are already hurting and Obama is not even in office yet......... but don't worry, Bush has taken care of his own.

www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081103/BUSINESS/811030308/1036/NEWS07?Title=Tipping_troubles

Talk at the St. Francis Barbershop lately has turned to stock market losses and the slumping economy.

Consumers are trimming back in lots of little ways as the economy slows. For workers like Dees who depend on tips, the drop in consumer spending is double trouble: Not only are there fewer customers, but they are spending less and leaving smaller tips.

"As a nation, we are currently very worried and very unhappy," said Strahilevitz, a marketing professor at Golden Gate University in San Francisco. "The more we are worried about our own futures, the less generous we are. So generous tipping will be reduced."

And while she expects tipping to rebound when the economy does, "the good old days of 15 percent even for mediocre service are probably gone for now," she said.

[bolverk]

Nov 3, 2008 18:46:59 GMT -5 Mink said:

It looks like gratuities are already hurting and Obama is not even in office yet......... but don't worry, Bush has taken care of his own.

www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081103/BUSINESS/811030308/1036/NEWS07?Title=Tipping_troubles

Talk at the St. Francis Barbershop lately has turned to stock market losses and the slumping economy.

Consumers are trimming back in lots of little ways as the economy slows. For workers like Dees who depend on tips, the drop in consumer spending is double trouble: Not only are there fewer customers, but they are spending less and leaving smaller tips.

"As a nation, we are currently very worried and very unhappy," said Strahilevitz, a marketing professor at Golden Gate University in San Francisco. "The more we are worried about our own futures, the less generous we are. So generous tipping will be reduced."

And while she expects tipping to rebound when the economy does, "the good old days of 15 percent even for mediocre service are probably gone for now," she said.

That ain't nothin' baby. Just wait until Obama keeps his promise to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, the only promise he will keep, which is an automatic tax increase on every bracket. Wow, Obama lied? Go figure.

What is Obama's plan on the Bush Tax Cuts (Really the House of Representatives Tax Cuts but I will humor the Democrats)? To let them expire in 2010, one year after the next President takes office and go back to the Bill Clinton Tax Rates. Let's look at the tax tables and see what we are talking about, ok?

2008 Taxes (Current Bush Tax Cuts)

Married Filing Jointly
Marginal Tax Rate 10% on earnings over $0 up to $16,050
Marginal Tax Rate 15% on earnings over $16,050 up to $65,100
Marginal Tax Rate 25% on earnings over $65,100 up to $131,450
Marginal Tax Rate 28% on earnings over $131,450 up to $200,300
Marginal Tax Rate 33% on earnings over $200,300 up to $357,300
Marginal Tax Rate 35% on earnings over $357,300 and over

Single
Marginal Tax Rate 10% on earnings over $0 up to $8,025
Marginal Tax Rate 15% on earnings over $8,025 up to $32,550
Marginal Tax Rate 25% on earnings over $32,550 up to $78,850
Marginal Tax Rate 28% on earnings over $78,850 up to $164,550
Marginal Tax Rate 33% on earnings over $164,550 up to $357,700
Marginal Tax Rate 35% on earnings over $357,700 and over

2000 Taxes (The Clinton Promised Tax Cuts which turned out to be a lie. Now it is Obama's stated tax plan since he will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010.)

Married Filing Jointly
Marginal Tax Rate 15% on earnings over $0 up to $43,850
Marginal Tax Rate 28% on earnings over $43,850 up to $105,950
Marginal Tax Rate 31% on earnings over $105,950 up to $161,450
Marginal Tax Rate 36% on earnings over $161,450 up to $288,350
Marginal Tax Rate 39.6% on earnings over $288,350 and over

Single
Marginal Tax Rate 15% on earnings over $0 up to $35,150
Marginal Tax Rate 28% on earnings over $43,850 up to $63,550
Marginal Tax Rate 31% on earnings over $63,550 up to $132,600
Marginal Tax Rate 36% on earnings over $132,600 up to $288,350
Marginal Tax Rate 39.6% on earnings over $288,350 and over

Dang, if you are on the bottom, you get an automatic 50% tax increase from 10% to 15%. And Obama calls this a tax cut. If you are married filing jointly under the Clinton plan you get a penalty for being married, notice a family earning $288,350 gets taxed at the same rate as a single person, it should be double the earnings. But Obama wishes to continue the financial assault on the family. Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire is a virtual tax increase in every bracket, across the board, a bigger lie then when Clinton said he was going to give a middle class tax cut and then raised taxes on just about his first week in office. Only under Obama's lie he promised a tax cut to 95% of Americans and only tax increases on people making over $250,000, $200,000 or $142,000, depending on who you believe. It is called slight of hand.

Got anything to say? Why not pull out some Obama talking points and see what you can come up with. Me, I will stick with a proven method of determining the truth. It is called mathematics. Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire is a tax increase on everyone, period, including the waiter. And we will see alot more people in the same food line as the homeless guy you hope will be fed also.

[Mink]

Your determination of truth is why the country has the highest deficit and the national deficit is in the trillions. Bush spent like crazy and now the US of A owes big time. Trickle down economics at its' worse.

Clinton had a surplus, passed it onto Bush.....Bush spent it all and took us into the red. Who pays for this?

[bolverk]

I love it when you post such drivel. It proves that your truly are an ignoramus.

Noun 1. ignoramus - an ignorant person
know nothing, uneducated person
unskilled person - a person who lacks technical training
aliterate, aliterate person - a person who can read but is disinclined to derive information from literary sources
illiterate, illiterate person, nonreader - a person unable to read



Congress spends the money, not the President. It was the Republican majorities surplus, not Clintons. It was the Congress expenditures, not Bush's. Pick up a Constitution and stop pedaling your false brand of government.

[bolverk]

Yours is a simpletons view of a complex issue to which you have attempted to attribute the simplest of views, but your view is incorrect. That is exactly why nothing changes. We keep sending the same people back who create the problems in Congress and then we blame the President. Or, if you are a Democrat or Clinton apologist, you attribute the good done by the new Republicans to Clinton, who did not accomplish one thing that was on his agenda.