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Post by subdjoe on Oct 30, 2008 8:27:14 GMT -5
I've read a lot of stuff about people supporting Barry because he is black (or passes himself off as black). No other reason, just because he is seen as a black man running to become POTUS. Isn't that racist? And isn't it racist for his supporters to claim that the only reason people are voting against him is because they are racist and don't want a black man in the Oval Office?
If people dared to say that the only reason they were supporting John-boy is that he is white all hell would break loose. Those racist preachers Jesse and Al would be at the cameras vilifying them as bigots and racists who long for the old plantaion days.
So, why isn't it equally racist to vote for Barry because he is black?
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Post by ferrous on Oct 30, 2008 8:53:01 GMT -5
So, am I racist for not wanting that particular "black" man in office?
Besides, it's only considered racist or hate crimes when the acts are perpetrating by a white male.
A black man can have his hatred and vent it at the white male (the Rev, Wright is a good example) and be quietly given a pass.
This pass, given to black men can go back to the days of slavery and the failure, by the white man to properly compensate the black man for all of his labors forced upon him as a slave.
To justly bring an equality between the white male and the black man, reparations (our a redistribution of the white male's wealth, would go a long ways in undoing the 100's of years of oppression and systematic abusive use of the black man's labors and imprisionment.
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39:45 And it essentially has never happened. I mean if you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement 39:48 and its litigation strategy and the court I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would not have the right to vote.. Would now be able to sit at lunch counter and as long as I could pay for it ..would be ok.
40:10 But the supreme court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in this society and to that extent as radical as people try to characterize the warren court it wasn’t that radical 40:30 It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the constituion. At least as it has been interpreted and the Warren Court interpreted it generally in the same way that the constitution is a document of negative liberties 40:43 Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal govt cant do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal govt or state govt must do on your behalf and that hasn’t shifted and I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that 41:01 the civil rights movement became so court focused. I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities 41:12 on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.. 41:20 and in some ways we still suffer from that.
Caller (Karen): 46:07 The gentlemen made the point that the warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes my question is: Is it to late for that kind of reparative work and is that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place?
Q: You mean the court
Caller: The court or would it be legislation at this point?
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46:27 You know maybe I am showing my bias here as a legislator. As well as a law professor, but you know I am not optimistic about bringing about major REDISTRIBUTIVE CHANGE through the courts. 46:43 You know the institution just isn’t structured that way. Just look at very rare examples where during he desegregation era the court was willing to, for example, 46:55 order you know changes that cost money 46:59 to local school district and the court was very uncomfortable with it. It was hard to manage. 47:04 It was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues. 47:09 You know in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that is essentially is administrative and take a lot of time. The court is not very good at it and politically it is hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. 47:27 So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally you know I think any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts. 47:45 I think that as a practical matter.. that our institutions are just poorly equipped to do it.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 30, 2008 10:00:40 GMT -5
Interesting, thanks for posting that. He does seem to have a hardon for redistribution of wealth doesn't he?
I find section very interesting: "You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues. 47:09 You know in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that is essentially is administrative and take a lot of time. The court is not very good at it and politically it is hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. 47:27 So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally you know I think any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts. 47:45 I think that as a practical matter.. that our institutions are just poorly equipped to do it."
Sort of sounds like he has ideological problems with the separation of powers and checks and balances, doesn't it? From this I can see him pushing Congress to pass all sorts of reparations/redistribution legislation, and then if he gets the chance packing the USSC with judges who share his leveler views.
On the subject so dear to his heart, why is he not living in a two bedroom tenement, wearing clothing bought in thrift shops, living on beans, rice, and soup bones so he can redistribute the bulk of his wealth to the needy? Seems that Barry is living well beyond the basic needs level.
Re: reparations, will blacks who are the decendents of blacks who were slave holders get a check? Or will they have to pay up? Or will they have to pay up, but then get a check?
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Post by saunterelle on Oct 30, 2008 13:13:38 GMT -5
I DO think you will see the "reverse Bradly effect" in this election. Groups of racists say they won't vote for the black guy in front of their friends but once they get in the voting booth they will vote for the guy who will help them provide for their family.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 30, 2008 13:20:15 GMT -5
Hmm.....or groups of racists who say that they will vote for the black guy decide in the voting booth that they will vote the guy who will help them provide for their family.
Typical liberal thinking on your part Saunterelle, for some reason it is only whites who can be racist.
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