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Post by surefire on Nov 4, 2008 19:57:15 GMT -5
Should the Republican Party go to the way of the Whigs? (extinct)
The Republicans seem to bring all these problems -- losing seats, white house, etc.-- on themselves by questionable management, and providing candidates that do not live up to what they claim their ideals are (small Government, etc). Bush for example seems to have increased Government size.
Can a small Government party ever dethrone the Republican party (Constitution, Libertarian, etc?)
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 4, 2008 23:29:55 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs.
With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation.
In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights.
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Post by surefire on Nov 4, 2008 23:37:41 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs. With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation. In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights. I'll keep an open mind and give our president a chance. Having said this, if there are any attacks on personal rights I will gladly speak out and call him and/or them (senate/house) on it. FYI, don't be too confident about the filibuster resistant senate... it is marginal at best and can still be overcome in some circumstances. I also think it will be 4 and out... UNLESS he governs from the center. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 5, 2008 0:52:38 GMT -5
"I also think it will be 4 and out... UNLESS he governs from the center."
Seriously, given his record, I don't think he is capable of that. He is so caught up in his grand sweeping vision that he can't see reality.
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 5, 2008 1:05:05 GMT -5
Mark me here, and mark me now.....
** Mr. Obama, Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi have all been spinning tonight that they have a great and sweeping mandate.
** Thinking they have a great and sweepeing mandate, they will most assuredly not govern from the center. Not at first, anyway, and most likely not ever.
** Running toward the center is not going to win Republicans any elections. That is what they've been doing for the past ten years, and look what it has cost us.
** We've lost... we've lost it all. We have no one to blame for it but our Republican selves.
** There is nothing left for us to do but suck it up, put on our big boy and big girl pants and get the soon to be needed next conservative revolution launched.
If we, as conservatives, don't get back to basics we are as good as done. There is no future in the middle. The electorate responds to a few clicks or more off from the center... the election of Mr. Obama, and that of Ronald Reagan in 1980, teach us that.
The conservatives are the small government part of the party. If that is indeed what you all want, then the path is clear.
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Post by surefire on Nov 5, 2008 2:20:59 GMT -5
"I also think it will be 4 and out... UNLESS he governs from the center." Seriously, given his record, I don't think he is capable of that. He is so caught up in his grand sweeping vision that he can't see reality. I agree... But I will give the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 5, 2008 3:25:58 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs. With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation. In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights. Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 5, 2008 9:41:38 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs. With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation. In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights. Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time. I think the GOP IS out of touch. I think the GOP party is all but dead. But I think the same holds true for the extreme left. If our president does NOT govern from the center-left, he will NOT be re-elected. In other words, if he constantly gives in to our tin-foil loving friends (Pelosi, Reid, etc), This is a moderate left to central country, and those that govern on the extremes will be short lived. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 5, 2008 9:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by bolverk on Nov 5, 2008 11:57:31 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs. With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation. In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights. I thought that the Democrats did not gain a filibuster proof Senate. |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 5, 2008 12:00:57 GMT -5
Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time. I think the GOP IS out of touch. I think the GOP party is all but dead. But I think the same holds true for the extreme left. If our president does NOT govern from the center-left, he will NOT be re-elected. In other words, if he constantly gives in to our tin-foil loving friends (Pelosi, Reid, etc), This is a moderate left to central country, and those that govern on the extremes will be short lived. No, this country is actually moderate right. 22% liberal 44% moderate and 33% conservative. They ran the figures last night. |
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Post by jgaffney on Nov 5, 2008 12:45:00 GMT -5
Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time.
Earth to Saunterelle: 56 million Americans voted for McCain. Are you branding all those people as "extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical"? How tolerant of you! No wonder I enjoy smiting you so much! |
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