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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 5, 2008 12:55:35 GMT -5
Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time. So perhaps you can explain for us that when Barack wins California by over 20 points, with the biggest turnout in decades, just exactly how Prop. 8 is losing? And why the new sentencing guidelines for drug offenders was drubbed so soundly? Perhaps it is not the GOP that is out of touch as you claim, but rather it is the social engineers who stand squarely at the core of the modern left's agenda? |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 5, 2008 14:30:14 GMT -5
Lazy? The GOP is completely out of touch with America. They attract the extremely religious, unreasonable, illogical among us and that is all. They don't embody any of the values the working men and women of our country hold dear. I do believe the GOP will not regain power for a long, long time. So perhaps you can explain for us that when Barack wins California by over 20 points, with the biggest turnout in decades, just exactly how Prop. 8 is losing? And why the new sentencing guidelines for drug offenders was drubbed so soundly? Perhaps it is not the GOP that is out of touch as you claim, but rather it is the social engineers who stand squarely at the core of the modern left's agenda? Prop 8's defeat can be summed up with 2 words: Religion and Fear. The Mormon Church funded more than 50% of the yes on 8 campaign. They paid for commercials that lied to people. They said gay marriage would be "taught in schools." This is false. Basically, the Church lied to people to scare them into voting yes. It is a tactic that churches have used for thousands of years. They don't unite, they divide. That's why you will never find me joining a church. |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 5, 2008 14:38:20 GMT -5
If Gay Marriage would not be taught in schools, what was Gavin Newsom doing officiating a wedding at City Hall for two Lesbians with a first grade class present? And officials of that school, as well as others, were calling it a teachable moment. I suppose they do not teach about Gay Marriage in Massachusetts schools, right?
You have been PWNED.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 5, 2008 15:16:06 GMT -5
Would they teach that gay marriage is legal? Of course. Would they teach kids that gay marriage is somehow BETTER than heterosexual marriage? Of course NOT.
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 5, 2008 15:33:19 GMT -5
The Mormon Church funded more than 50% of the yes on 8 campaign. They paid for commercials that lied to people. They said gay marriage would be "taught in schools." This is false. So the commercials from the anti-8 folks that portrayed two Mormon missionary kids invading the home of two lesbians was factual to your knowledge? If you want to be fair, then indeed let's be so. The California Education Code directs that schools “teach respect for marriage and committed relationships” as part of health and sex education curriculum. Local boards are allowed under the code to decide to not teach health and sex ed. Local boards approve their curriculum, however all curriculum must meet state standards. If the state were, presuming Prop 8 had passed, write in a curriculum statement that gay marriage had to be presented, then local boards would have to present it, or opt out of teaching health and sex ed. And of course gay parents pushing the agenda would be free to sue districts to force it into the curriculum. Now having said all that, would you happen to be familiar with the current curriculum in say, the San Francisco Unified School District? Your argument is vacant. Your anti-religion stance, a personal choice that you seem willing to force on us all, is just a crutch and it's a wobbly one at best. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 5, 2008 16:05:25 GMT -5
The GOP got lazy. It expected the Reagan years to continue. In a horrid way, this election will be good for the GOP. I see the radical right wing loosing influence and a more centrist platform being hammered out. I see Barry and Joe going 4 and out. His high sounding plans will be shown as a false front hiding a hollow shell. Taxes, in spite of what Barry says, will have to go up to pay for all his give away programs. With what looks like a filibuster proof majority in the upper house of Congress, look for a rubber stamp on anti business, anti-free speech, anti-relgion, anti-thought legislation. In some ways I can hardly wait for the new Congress to come into session. I'm going to have fun hammering our representatives on every issue, every screw up, every bad bill, every attack on our rights. I thought that the Democrats did not gain a filibuster proof Senate. They didn't. I was going by a projection on I don't remember which site. Looks like they came close, but didn't quite get it. Of course, there may be some RINOs who can be counted on to walk on that side. Then, there may be a few Dems who will not be in lockstep. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 5, 2008 17:13:38 GMT -5
As to votes in the Senate... Leader Reid has sent word to Senator Lieberman that he wants to see him in the office and to bring his playbook with him. I make it six, two and even that Lieberman is stripped of his chairmanships and prominent committee assignments as penance for daring to support Senator McCain. He may still caucus with the Democrats, but he is going to be persona non grata.
Very gracious in victory, those democrats.
RINOs to walk in lockstep.... think Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Arlen Specter, Chuck Hagle (presuming he isn't put on the Obama cabinet), and Lindsey Graham.
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Post by surefire on Nov 5, 2008 20:06:45 GMT -5
I think the GOP IS out of touch. I think the GOP party is all but dead. But I think the same holds true for the extreme left. If our president does NOT govern from the center-left, he will NOT be re-elected. In other words, if he constantly gives in to our tin-foil loving friends (Pelosi, Reid, etc), This is a moderate left to central country, and those that govern on the extremes will be short lived. No, this country is actually moderate right. 22% liberal 44% moderate and 33% conservative. They ran the figures last night. Then that even looks worse for the Republicans. The Republican party must be so hated that a moderate right country voted in arguably an extreme left president. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 5, 2008 21:03:43 GMT -5
Just remember that here in SoCo, "moderate right" would be "strong left" in most of the rest of the country.
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Post by surefire on Nov 5, 2008 21:30:34 GMT -5
Just remember that here in SoCo, "moderate right" would be "strong left" in most of the rest of the country. Agreed. |
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