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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 14:50:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the breakdown bolverk. You're right, I would fall somewhere between Agnostic atheist and Strong agnostic.
BigDog, you can label my comments any way you like but it doesn't mean they aren't true. I like to think of myself as a realist. I am not forcing my view onto others any more than they force their views onto me.
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 7, 2008 15:19:59 GMT -5
And in your Prop 8 dissertations I believe that is exactly what you were doing.
Difference of opinion.
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Post by bolverk on Nov 7, 2008 15:25:07 GMT -5
He speaks to people honestly, the way we have always wanted our politicians to address us yet they never have. Obama himself has said that he will make mistakes as President. No one I know believes he will do no wrong. It's a relief from the ignorant sense of infallibility Bush displayed. It's funny that you put it into a religious context. Actually, I think we will see America finally begin to escape the trappings of religion and usher in a new age of reasonable thought, much like countries in Western Europe have done in recent years. You are wrong, we had one speak to us honestly. His name was Ronald Reagan. Were you aware of that? He even simplified our tax code down to three brackets which took effect the first year of George H.W. Bush's term. But, the Democrat majority screwed that all up. |
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Post by ferrous on Nov 7, 2008 15:38:55 GMT -5
First of all, I am not an atheist. I'm agnostic. I subscribe to the religion of I DON'T KNOW. And guess what, YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER. Want to know how I know that you don't know? Because you don't have special powers that let you see into the great beyond and neither do I. If you choose to wall off the logical part of your brain so you can believe in a fairy tale, that is your right. But it shouldn't play any part in the way our government behaves or makes decisions. I am not just anti-Christian, all religions around the world are equally nutty. And yes, Obama wants to put all options on the table. He is intelligent, that's why I voted for him. He makes decisions by educating himself on all sides of all options and focuses on the solution with America's best interests in mind. You won't see him "going with his gut" very often. It is truly a breath of fresh air. Seems Saunterelle equates all religious concepts on Christian beliefs. I'm glad to hear that Saunterelle has decided the answer to all of our beliefs. I can now sleep peacefully knowing that he has now resolved the question of the ages as to the nature of things and our place in the Universe. This is true because in Saunterelle world, in order to have a religious belief, there must be an omnipresent deity busy pulling the strings where man is only a puppet and is denied self determination. |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 16:28:59 GMT -5
Not at all ferrous, I am not providing any answers, I am simply saying "we don't know."
It seems that, for most people, religion is the grown up equivalent to having a stuffed animal. They talk to their imaginary deity because it brings comfort. Yet they know deep down that it probably doesn't actually exist.
However, there are some (like Palin) who truly believe their view is the absolute truth. Even with thousands of other religions around the world, theirs is the end all be all. I find this to be selfishly myopic. Of course this is their right and I will quietly stand by while they speak in tongues, but when it begins to influence public policy it becomes dangerous. That is my point.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 16:33:16 GMT -5
He speaks to people honestly, the way we have always wanted our politicians to address us yet they never have. Obama himself has said that he will make mistakes as President. No one I know believes he will do no wrong. It's a relief from the ignorant sense of infallibility Bush displayed. It's funny that you put it into a religious context. Actually, I think we will see America finally begin to escape the trappings of religion and usher in a new age of reasonable thought, much like countries in Western Europe have done in recent years. You are wrong, we had one speak to us honestly. His name was Ronald Reagan. Were you aware of that? He even simplified our tax code down to three brackets which took effect the first year of George H.W. Bush's term. But, the Democrat majority screwed that all up. It makes sense that the one you believe spoke honestly was... AN ACTOR. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 7, 2008 16:37:37 GMT -5
First of all, I am not an atheist. I'm agnostic. I subscribe to the religion of I DON'T KNOW. And guess what, YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER. Want to know how I know that you don't know? Because you don't have special powers that let you see into the great beyond and neither do I. If you choose to wall off the logical part of your brain so you can believe in a fairy tale, that is your right. But it shouldn't play any part in the way our government behaves or makes decisions. I am not just anti-Christian, all religions around the world are equally nutty. And yes, Obama wants to put all options on the table. He is intelligent, that's why I voted for him. He makes decisions by educating himself on all sides of all options and focuses on the solution with America's best interests in mind. You won't see him "going with his gut" very often. It is truly a breath of fresh air. You lack reading skills too. I did NOT say you were an atheist here. I said that you want us to be ruled by the religion of atheism. And, I don't hear you railing against the sprit posts in public parks, mysticism taught in schools, etc. He may want all options "on the table" but uses that as a cop out since he won't seriously consider any outside his socialist, one world government agenda. Notice that anything he doesn't like gets put on the table "subject to more study and careful regulation" which translates to 'regulate into non-existance.' |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 16:53:27 GMT -5
I don't want us to be ruled by any religion, nor atheism. Why is that so hard to understand? America shouldn't be "a Christian nation" nor an atheist nation, nor an eastern religion's nation. We should be more like Western Europe in that regard. They are far ahead of us in regards to evolution of reasonable thought.
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Post by maxsawdust on Nov 7, 2008 17:00:52 GMT -5
But your candidate is CHRISTIAN......Supposedly. you DO NOT think his "Christian" faith will play into his decision making? Wow are you naive...
Yes let's be like france...teeeheee
It is MERELY YOUR "Opinion" that we should be more like western Europe.
In the interim you could relocate to one of those Ultra Enlightened places...Hey have they ever had a black President....or even non-white for that matter.......in ultra enlightened "Western Europe"...
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 17:20:41 GMT -5
You have to be Christian to be President in America. I don't think he or McCain (or many reasonable people for that matter) REALLY believe what their religion preaches.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 17:22:01 GMT -5
I'll bet if we were discussing nuclear power you would be all up on France's jock. But reasonable thought? Nawwww
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 7, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -5
Of course it is. What's your point?
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