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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 20, 2008 20:01:54 GMT -5
Here's a new fun game we can all play..... who said this?  |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Nov 20, 2008 20:59:42 GMT -5
Ok, I'll bite, again. Obama?
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 20, 2008 21:35:27 GMT -5
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING
That's correct.... very good. Now can you correlate that statement made by the Senator on February 12 with his named appointments so far?
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Nov 20, 2008 22:17:11 GMT -5
Ah yes, I see the zinger coming without much thought. Obama is gathering a team that consists of Washington players, right?  |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 20, 2008 23:02:42 GMT -5
But not the "same" Washington players. It is commonly understood that the Change is from Bush.
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 21, 2008 14:19:21 GMT -5
But not the "same" Washington players. It is commonly understood that the Change is from Bush. Oh come now Saunterelle. I've seen equivocation from you but this absolutely takes the cake. Perhaps you understand that it is only supposed to be about "change from Bush", but the quote from Barack is very clear and unmistakeable in it's meaning. He ran as a new face, to bring "change" from outside of Washington. I'm sure I could amass an entire litany of quotes from the man and his surrogates during the campaign to exactly that point. What he is giving us, to this point, is more inside the Beltway players and mostly retreads from the last democrat administration for another bite at the power apple for them. ** Eric Holder, US Attorney and Deputy Attorney General, Clinton Administration ** Rahm "F**k the Republicans" Emanuel, Assistant to the President for Political Affairs and then Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy, Clinton Administration ** John Podesta, White House Chief of Staff, Clinton Administration ** Greg Craig, assistant to the President and special counsel, Clinton Administration ** Hillary Clinton, need we get into specifics? ** Tom Daschle, former Senate Majority Leader, coincidentally during the Clinton Administration, and ultra high power DC power broker since leaving office. Of the appointments floated so far the only "outsider" Barack is contemplating is Governor Napolitano of Arizona for Homeland Security. It should be interesting to see how the rest of his appointments play out, but if he continues to pick retread after retread after DC insider, his "change" message is going to start looking mighty weak, mighty quick. |
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 21, 2008 14:32:49 GMT -5
it's always the same game........say what you need to on the campaign trail then once your in it's politics as usual.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 21, 2008 14:59:38 GMT -5
When half of Democrats voted for Hillary in the primaries it showed that much of America longs for the days when Clinton was in charge.
Also, we saw with the disaster that was Sarah Palin and we've learned that we can't just go putting any ol' hockey mom or Joe six pack in the White House. There are certain things, experiences, those in charge need to know to function effectively. Obama is a leader who has a clear plan for America and he is bringing in the most effective team to critique and help implement his ideas.
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 21, 2008 17:58:39 GMT -5
When half of Democrats voted for Hillary in the primaries it showed that much of America longs for the days when Clinton was in charge. Not quite 50% of voters went for McCain in the general, some them almost certainly pissed off Hillary supporters (PUMA)... by that math about a quarter of the electorate longed for the days when Clinton was in charge. But the joke is on the other three fourths because now we are clearly seeing that is pretty much what we get. Which has what, if anything, to do with this thread. The entire second paragraph of your post is off topic and nothing but trying to pile on. Sheeesh. Stick to the topic, you're plenty good at it. No need to deflect. Unless of course you don't really believe what you're writing......  |
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 21, 2008 18:08:10 GMT -5
My point with bringing up Palin is to illustrate that Obama is smart enough not to surround himself with inexperienced yes men. Rather, he is using Lincoln's model to a certain extent.
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 21, 2008 21:00:54 GMT -5
When half of Democrats voted for Hillary in the primaries it showed that much of America longs for the days when Clinton was in charge. almost half of the american people voted for mccain/palin. does this mean that obama will select some conservative republicans to his cabinet? ha! disaster? she managed to energize the conservative base much more so than even john mccain could. disaster? hardly. IMHO, we need to clear out the old guard in washington (all of them) and replace them with some hockey moms and joe six packs who aren't beholden to special interest groups. why didn't you consider this when you voted for obama??? so why didn't the DNC just nominate someone who already had the experience and didn't need to be surrounded by smart people to help him out? doesn't make much sense now, does it? |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 21, 2008 22:43:11 GMT -5
My point with bringing up Palin is to illustrate that Obama is smart enough not to surround himself with inexperienced yes men. Rather, he is using Lincoln's model to a certain extent. Oh, lord. I bet you think Honest Abe was a GREAT president. Talk about subverting the Constitution! Bush could take lessons on that from good old Honest Abe. God help us if The Obama uses Lincoln for a role model. Say good bye to the Bill of Rights. Say good bye to separation of powers. Say good bye to free press, free assembly, free speech. |
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