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Post by saunterelle on Mar 11, 2009 15:28:59 GMT -5
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7929690.stm Finally, after 8 long years, some common sense in the White House! Now we can finally get back to progressive science working to cure horrible diseases instead of religious conservative nut jobs run amok trying to ban everything they don't agree.
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Post by moondog on Mar 11, 2009 18:24:12 GMT -5
I used to be for Stem Cell Research. It has become a mote point since the can create stem cells now.
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Post by saunterelle on Mar 11, 2009 18:33:45 GMT -5
It is not a moot point. Embryonic cells are far cheaper (very significant in these times) and they offer more promise for cures.
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Post by moondog on Mar 11, 2009 18:51:01 GMT -5
Yes, it is a moot point. Bush did not make stem cell research illegal, he just stopped federal funding. To me, if you have other sources of money, and they do, you don't need federal funding, it just gets politicized like this issue has been. And that is wrong, that is the problem.
In California we as voters pledged over $3 Billion to Stem Cell Research, we don't need federal funding. The Federal Government should not be in the business of providing venture capital to companies. How do you think we got into the mess we are in already?
But, morons insist on the Federal Government doing everything because they are incapable of doing for themselves. People like you.
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Post by Mink on Mar 11, 2009 22:20:55 GMT -5
I suppose you think Nancy Reagan is a moron too?
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 11, 2009 22:38:19 GMT -5
well, actually i think nancy is kooky in some regards. she's was really into that astrology stuff.
but moondog is exactly right. there was no fed ban on stem cell research, just fed funding for it. states and private companies were free to do all the research they wanted.
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Post by jgaffney on Mar 11, 2009 23:08:07 GMT -5
but moondog is exactly right. there was no fed ban on stem cell research, just fed funding for it. states and private companies were free to do all the research they wanted.
How many people remember that a proposition was passed in California to fund stem cell research? Several hundred million, as I remember. Any results from that yet? One of the big problems with accepting federal money for a research project is that the researchers then become subject to federal "oversight." Who wants to guess what that will mean? |
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Post by Mink on Mar 11, 2009 23:09:02 GMT -5
Astrology may not be a popular science, but when juvenile diabetes is on the rise, that is an issue. The Bush administration supported the pharmacuetical business, but won't support funding research for a cure? That is idiotic!
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Post by moondog on Mar 12, 2009 10:56:05 GMT -5
but moondog is exactly right. there was no fed ban on stem cell research, just fed funding for it. states and private companies were free to do all the research they wanted.
How many people remember that a proposition was passed in California to fund stem cell research? Several hundred million, as I remember. Any results from that yet? One of the big problems with accepting federal money for a research project is that the researchers then become subject to federal "oversight." Who wants to guess what that will mean? Californians pledged 3 billion over 10 years. We don't need federal funding. This country is no longer America when the Federal Government is running everything. Democrats are just to stupid to figure that out. |
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Post by moondog on Mar 12, 2009 11:00:17 GMT -5
I suppose you think Nancy Reagan is a moron too? What, am I supposed to figure out what you mean? Does Nancy Reagan want the Federal Government to be in charge of how my child's school teaches him? Your party does, just listen to them. Or are you trying to say that Nancy is for Federal funding of stem cell research? Personally, I think all of you cradle to grave types need to learn to fend for yourselves. But no, you want the Federal Government to be in charge, collect all your taxes and then send it back to irresponsible states to distribute after the fed pays everyone and his grandmother to administer the program, there by increasing the costs far above what it should be. THAT IS A MORONIC WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. |
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Post by moondog on Mar 12, 2009 11:05:51 GMT -5
Astrology may not be a popular science, but when juvenile diabetes is on the rise, that is an issue. The Bush administration supported the pharmacuetical business, but won't support funding research for a cure? That is idiotic! No, idiotic is thinking that the Federal Government should control everything. Idiotic is believing a government that cannot even manage a social security trust fund without breaking the bank can regulate funds for any research at all, or be cost efficient in doing so. That is what you warped little mind cannot comprehend. The Federal Government has increased the cost of everything it gets it's grubby little hands on, yet you turn to them as saviors. You piss my tax dollars away on over management and corruption at the highest levels and expect me to just sit back and accept it. Morons like you have pushed the limits of patience and tolerance of your beliefs to the limit. How much more should people like me tolerate before we follow the example set by those who created this country? Well, actually there are tea parties springing up all over this nation. We are tired of federal interference in our lives. Politicians living fat on our money while the private sector toils daily under more and more restrictive legislation. Legislation brought on by the like of you who cannot fend for themselves or are offended by what others do. These protests will not cease, they will increase. |
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Post by subdjoe on Mar 12, 2009 12:08:01 GMT -5
There was no ban on stem cell research, that is a myth started by leftists to push their political agenda. They were afraid that calling an embryo a person may result in a ban on those partial birth abortios they want to force women to have. (that is applying the reasoing that they use against firearms - the right wants to force everyone to carry a gun, so, using that reasoning, then the left must want every woman to have a partial birth abortion).
Now, I do have to say that if the source of stem cells was embryos that would have been disposed of by IVF clinics, then I don't have much problem with using them. I do have a problem with IVF clinics in general though.
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