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Post by saunterelle on May 13, 2009 13:46:39 GMT -5
My comments were in response to the comment " L I B E R A L S thats what's wrong" that goes no further in describing in what way liberals caused this kid's awful behavior. Joe's explanation that somehow "social engineers" have taken over our schools and their "feel good" policies are making our kids violent doesn't make any sense. At least the war explanation is a valid one. If our government can attack people who did not harm us, why can't this kid? Well, in reality it is, but in a roundabout way in my opinion. When I was growing up Mom's were at home and Dad's went to work to get the money to pay for everything. Then, along came the Gender Feminist movement that ridiculed women who stayed home, causing a huge exodus of people into the job market and away from the home and the children. This caused the economy to adjust to the greater disposable income, increasing prices, forcing the remaining moms and all future moms to have to work. This created the latch key kids of today. So, in a roundabout way, leftist ideologies are responsible for the lack of supervision which creates kids like this one. I'd like to hear a woman's perspective on your comment. Care to chime in Mink, JMO, or 1? |
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Post by capttankona on May 13, 2009 13:50:27 GMT -5
Well, in reality it is, but in a roundabout way in my opinion. When I was growing up Mom's were at home and Dad's went to work to get the money to pay for everything. Then, along came the Gender Feminist movement that ridiculed women who stayed home, causing a huge exodus of people into the job market and away from the home and the children. This caused the economy to adjust to the greater disposable income, increasing prices, forcing the remaining moms and all future moms to have to work. This created the latch key kids of today. So, in a roundabout way, leftist ideologies are responsible for the lack of supervision which creates kids like this one. I'd like to hear a woman's perspective on your comment. Care to chime in Mink, JMO, or 1? That is just crazy. I grew up during the movement, it affected my life. My views on it are just as valid as any womans, regardless of what you think. |
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Post by crossride on May 13, 2009 14:39:01 GMT -5
Here's a tidbit for you all to think about. Let's say I'm the kid in this incident and I am reading along with this thread, which is SUPPOSED to be addressing what I have done. I think about now I can quietly slip off and no one will even remember what I did...
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Post by JustMyOpinion on May 13, 2009 14:44:23 GMT -5
The following is not a gender based opinion, just an opinion:
Well, my first thought is of my grandmother who was not allowed to work outside of the home, or drive, or, or ,or etc. Oh, and who did the forbidding? My grandfather! The very same grandfather that used to drink WAY too much, especially after his oldest son was killed in an accident at the age of 17. Grandpa decided that after drinking grandma wasn’t doing her duty as a “woman” and beat her on several occasions, in fact he whacked her so hard with a frying pan that she had to have brain surgery to remove the massive blood clotting which left her epileptic. Yeah, big happy marriage, doing the “right thing,” being a good woman. So, I have to say I’m glad we had the woman’s movement and that women of today don’t have to put up with that crap for single second if they choose.
Second example, my mother: I was five when we’d moved from San Jose’ to Petaluma (my mother’s home town), without dad! Why? Dad decided since he was a successful businessman that he would exercise a little bit of his manliness and have an affair. After all, those business lunches lavished the successful with the best martini’s, cigars and best looking secretaries and his was his due “right?” Right? Anyway, dad decides to take the family money and buy a new Corvette to impress his new girlfriend, as for our new house and huge mortgage? Ah, what’s money if not to have FUN?! Well, my mother had had enough and decided divorce was the only solution. Unfortunately dad spent all of our money and the mortgage was more than my mother could handle. We had to move in with my grandparents (yep, the very same) for a while so that my mother could get a job and support us. This was in the 1960’s and being a single mom was not the norm, mom had to work hard to get ahead, and she did, on her own. Dad just couldn’t emotionally recover from screwing his family and didn’t work consistently enough to pay mom child support. Not only that, but the one time out of three that dad decided to visit he stole my money out of my piggy bank and left an IOU, I was around 7-8 years old. SPECIAL, huh?! But, my mother worked hard, kept her dignity and was successful. I respect her 100% for not allowing my dad (biological) to bring her down, or me. High five mom! Dad died in his 50’s from alcoholism, obviously incapable of being a father or husband, and I am thankful my mother had the guts and option to leave.
I could share my own personal examples (I have many), but won’t. Let’s just say men and women are equally responsible for this mess we are in. I think if marriage doesn’t work after trying everything possible (especially for kids) then it’s best to move on, but not away from the children. The children need BOTH parents to be responsible and need to support their children in EVERY way so that they aren’t left alone, living in poverty like conditions, or neglected which unfortunately is often the case.
We did need the feminist movement, but we didn’t need mothers to be put down for the hardest, and most important job in the world. I agree.
And to add: Not only did I have a single parent for a while as a child I was one. I fully understand what it takes, how hard it is, and where we are lacking. BUT, that costs money and apparently my realistic views are considered to be tainted by Kool-Aid, and a sick Democratic mind. Things will NEVER be as they were, and it some ways that’s a good thing. We do need to revamp how things work for parents and kids that struggle to make it. When I write about kids, needs, the total inept system that we have I don’t pull my verbiage out of my fairy dust pot, I write from experience.
We ALL have a story to tell (don't know why I'm sharing some of mine), and you know what? If one keeps an open mind much can be learned...
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Post by capttankona on May 13, 2009 14:53:02 GMT -5
The following is not a gender based opinion, just an opinion: Well, my first thought is of my grandmother who was not allowed to work outside of the home, or drive, or, or ,or etc. Oh, and who did the forbidding? My grandfather! The very same grandfather that used to drink WAY too much, especially after his oldest son was killed in an accident at the age of 17. Grandpa decided that after drinking grandma wasn’t doing her duty as a “woman” and beat her on several occasions, in fact he whacked her so hard with a frying pan that she had to have brain surgery to remove the massive blood clotting which left her epileptic. Yeah, big happy marriage, doing the “right thing,” being a good woman. So, I have to say I’m glad we had the woman’s movement and that women of today don’t have to put up with that crap for single second if they choose. Second example, my mother: I was five when we’d moved from San Jose’ to Petaluma (my mother’s home town), without dad! Why? Dad decided since he was a successful businessman that he would exercise a little bit of his manliness and have an affair. After all, those business lunches lavished the successful with the best martini’s, cigars and best looking secretaries and his was his due “right?” Right? Anyway, dad decides to take the family money and buy a new Corvette to impress his new girlfriend, as for our new house and huge mortgage? Ah, what’s money if not to have FUN?! Well, my mother had had enough and decided divorce was the only solution. Unfortunately dad spent all of our money and the mortgage was more than my mother could handle. We had to move in with my grandparents (yep, the very same) for a while so that my mother could get a job and support us. This was in the 1960’s and being a single mom was not the norm, mom had to work hard to get ahead, and she did, on her own. Dad just couldn’t emotionally recover from screwing his family and didn’t work consistently enough to pay mom child support. Not only that, but the one time out of three that dad decided to visit he stole my money out of my piggy bank and left an IOU, I was around 7-8 years old. SPECIAL, huh?! But, my mother worked hard, kept her dignity and was successful. I respect her 100% for not allowing my dad (biological) to bring her down, or me. High five mom! Dad died in his 50’s from alcoholism, obviously incapable of being a father or husband, and I am thankful my mother had the guts and option to leave. I could share my own personal examples (I have many), but won’t. Let’s just say men and women are equally responsible for this mess we are in. I think if marriage doesn’t work after trying everything possible ( especially for kids) then it’s best to move on, but not away from the children. The children need BOTH parents to be responsible and need to support their children in EVERY way so that they aren’t left alone, living in poverty like conditions, or neglected which unfortunately is often the case. We did need the feminist movement, but we didn’t need mothers to be put down for the hardest, and most important job in the world. I agree. And to add: Not only did I have a single parent for a while as a child I was one. I fully understand what it takes, how hard it is, and where we are lacking. BUT, that costs money and apparently my realistic views are considered to be tainted by Kool-Aid, and a sick Democratic mind. Things will NEVER be as they were, and it some ways that’s a good thing. We do need to revamp how things work for parents and kids that struggle to make it. When I write about kids, needs, the total inept system that we have I don’t pull my verbiage out of my fairy dust pot, I write from experience. We ALL have a story to tell (don't know why I'm sharing some of mine), and you know what? If one keeps an open mind much can be learned... I wish to recommend a book to you by Christina Hoff Sommers, it is called Who Stole Feminism. You see, I believe in the rights of women. However, Gender Feminists like Gloria Steinem and Naomi Wolfe are not true feminists in the orignial mold. Original feminists just wanted equal rights, Gender Feminists demand rights based on gender alone. That is the difference. Anyway, read the book, I think it will be very helpful in your pursuit of true equality. |
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Post by joe on May 13, 2009 15:00:46 GMT -5
At least the war explanation is a valid one. If our government can attack people who did not harm us, why can't this kid? No it's not! Well unless of course you're an anarchist. Even if as you "claim" we went to war under "false" pretenses , or what most would agree was BAD INTEL. Doesn't mean the rest of society should run amok, unless of course you are an anarchist, or a fool who believes two wrongs or millions of wrongs followed by millions more...since "well jonny did it "...will somehow make everything right? You are so so duplicitous and self contradictory from thread to thread it borders on clinical insanity or bi-polar syndrome at the very least. And IF everything a President or a country does wrong makes it right for the rest of us.... Can we all now. Forget about showing ID for ANYTHING since BO doesn't feel the need. Do Cocaine, as long as we admit it later. Do shady real estate deals with felons...and never even be investigated. Smoke weed freely with no repercussion as long as we admit it later. Seal all transcripts to our past 100% and completely , every last detail. Laugh at all sick jokes, no matter how sick and wrong. Make fun of the handicapped. Touch Royals. And most of all...Just be left alone to eat our waffles? |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on May 13, 2009 15:52:27 GMT -5
Here's a tidbit for you all to think about. Let's say I'm the kid in this incident and I am reading along with this thread, which is SUPPOSED to be addressing what I have done. I think about now I can quietly slip off and no one will even remember what I did... I think some were looking for the reasons... I have a HUGE laundry list of how to help to avoid SOME of these situations, but you all have heard them like a ZILLION times. I doubt this kid will slip off into a quiet corner, well, maybe in a cell. |
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Post by capttankona on May 13, 2009 17:13:21 GMT -5
Having paid particularlly close attention to the media on this particular story this morning, specifically watching Kelly's Court on FOX News with two lawyers discussing the issue, I have concluded that this is probably best handled in the adult courts of Florida. It is my understanding that he can still get a juvenile sentence, but it will require more supervision upon his release.
And, as it came out in that segment, all the children on that particular bus have been diagnosed with mental health issues. This particular child has shown no violent tendancies until just recently. However, once these violent tendancies emerged, he has been in several incidents, all directed at females I believe.
There is obviously more going on here then meets the eye. And certainly more going on then can be covered in a short news broadcast. And certainly not enough is known to really talk much about it, except that this particular incident was very intense. I would not characterize it as extremely violent, but it was very violent, and I say that because no weapon was involved.
From a personal stand point, I could have ended his onslaught with a single move. The child was untrained, thankfully, and left himself wide open to be stopped by anyone with the proper knowledge on how to do so, even by that bus driver. It would not have been pretty, but it would have been very effective.
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Post by The Big Dog on May 13, 2009 18:38:07 GMT -5
Bush's No Child Left Behind wasn't too good for kids. You mean Senator Kennedy's No Child Left Behind that Bush signed when it reached his desk..... don't you. And yes, that is a statement not in the form of a question. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on May 13, 2009 18:53:07 GMT -5
It was my understanding from research that Bush proposed it, Kennedy supported it.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on May 13, 2009 19:01:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip. And, interesting perspective. In my younger years I would've fought tooth and nail that we are ALL the same (men and women), I've since changed my mind.
We have VERY clear differences (not the obvious) and it's too bad that many have a hard time meeting each other half way with that knowledge.
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Post by harpman1 on May 13, 2009 19:37:42 GMT -5
Kennedy wrote it; GWB signed it.
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