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Post by Mink on May 13, 2009 22:28:34 GMT -5
Kennedy wrote it; GWB signed it. Gramm wrote it, Clinton signed it......oh, that's another thread, sorry. |
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Post by The Big Dog on May 13, 2009 22:50:50 GMT -5
It was my understanding from research that Bush proposed it, Kennedy supported it. From Wikipedia, for lack of a better immediate source... and I've added emphasis. [/b] aiming to improve the performance of U.S. primary and secondary schools by increasing the standards of accountability for states, school districts, and schools, as well as providing parents more flexibility in choosing which schools their children will attend. Additionally, it promoted an increased focus on reading and reauthorized the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA)[/b]. [/size][/quote] Then there is this.... [/b][8] A primary criticism asserts that NCLB could reduce effective instruction and student learning because it may cause states to lower achievement goals and motivate teachers to "teach to the test." A primary supportive claim asserts that systematic testing provides data that shed light on which schools are not teaching basic skills effectively, so that interventions can be made to improve outcomes for all students while reducing the achievement gap for disadvantaged and disabled students.[9][/size][/quote] Bush asked for it on the third day of his presidency as part of a larger spending binge targeted to win him friends on both sides of the aisle --- what Congresscritter, after all, doesn't want to dole out more taxpayer money-- and it largely re-authorized programs that were already out there. It was what the Democrats wanted because it was re-upping programs that date back to LBJ's Great Society. It was what Bush wanted because he thought that he would win himself friends on the other side of the aisle with such a huge opportunity to pork up Education. It also added new oversight, which the Democrats largely fought against on behalf of their cronies in the teacher's union. And about ten minutes after the bill was signed, Senator Kennedy, who had largely authored the bill, said it wasn't enough and attacked Bush for not doing enough..... even though.... [/b] [10] A 2008 study from the Department of Education, “Reading First Impact Study: Interim Report,” analyzes the performance of students in 12 states who were in grades one to three during the 2004-5 and 2005-6 school years and concluded that the Reading First Program, a major billion dollar a year NCLB effort, had proven "ineffective."[/u] [/size][/quote] The biggest jewel in the crown of the bill didn't friggin' work... and it was a recycle of an LBJ program from the 60's. Bush got himself rolled like a drunken sailor on his first night in port. The Democrats played him as they had absolutely no interest in making nice after the bruising election of 2000. They waltzed him down the path, got the bill they wanted, and then shanked him as they were walking him back out again. You lefties have been hollering for years that No Child Left Behind was all Bush's fault. Well you are flat assed wrong. It was a political hog killing, pure and simple, setting the tone for the remainder of Bush's tenure where he continually tried to make nice to both sides of the aisle by signing off on hundreds of billions of dollars in spending. And you all think that Barack quadrupling Bush's deficit spending is going to fix things. You've all been rolled... hope you enjoy waking up in a rhetorical alley sticky, broke and confused, because that, dear friends, is your future. |
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Post by Mink on May 13, 2009 23:41:21 GMT -5
1, I bet you didn't expect you would get this much response, huh?
My take on this story is it is a tragedy indeed. Some kids these days have absolutley no respect, but neither do many adults.
As for the feminists' movement mentioned earlier.......well, if it wasn't for the women in another decade, we wouldn't be voting!
I also grew up where women stayed home raising children while the man was the bread winner. My father was an immigrant, who back in those days, (in Santa Rosa), wasn't exactly an "equal", but that didn't stop him or her from acquiring the American dream.
Although, he became a citizen, he had a different color skin, therefore, my parents couldn't purchase a nice home in the elite part of town. Instead, they bought a home and we grew up in the outskirts of SR, in a diverse neighborhood, where one would think we would have to have guns to defend ourselves........but guess what? Nobody locked their doors at night!
Mom raised us (5 children) until the youngest entered kindergarten before she took to the workforce because she wanted a freezer, can you believe that!??! Dad grew a garden and Mom canned veggies, prior. They raised a few chickens and I watched as Mom killed them with her bare hands when they planned a chicken dinner (yikes). I timed her one day when a boyfriend worked at a turkey farm, brought a freshly killed turkey for Thanksgiving.......she had it cleaned in 20 minutes. There is no way I could ever, ever........ Mom retired from OCLI now JDSU after 35 years and you know what? She can still out-do anyone I know to this day, including most men! (she is pretty BTW) She still cleans her own home and you could go in with a white glove and it still comes out white.
Back on topic, kids need more chores.
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Post by capttankona on May 14, 2009 12:22:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip. And, interesting perspective. In my younger years I would've fought tooth and nail that we are ALL the same (men and women), I've since changed my mind. We have VERY clear differences (not the obvious) and it's too bad that many have a hard time meeting each other half way with that knowledge. It is the differences in men and women that we need. Men often see things in very sterile ways. Women add a different, but very important perspective, one we should not ignore. And, noticing or even celebrating those differences is not a bad thing. Equality does not mean we should all act or be expected to think the same. It just means we are all treated the same in the eyes of the law. But that has been twisted so badly in this society that we now have protected classes of people, rather then just people. We have built our own barriers to cooperation and acceptance by using legislation and the law. |
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Post by crossride on May 17, 2009 17:52:45 GMT -5
Here's a tidbit for you all to think about. Let's say I'm the kid in this incident and I am reading along with this thread, which is SUPPOSED to be addressing what I have done. I think about now I can quietly slip off and no one will even remember what I did... I think some were looking for the reasons... I have a HUGE laundry list of how to help to avoid SOME of these situations, but you all have heard them like a ZILLION times. I doubt this kid will slip off into a quiet corner, well, maybe in a cell. My point is simply that from the kid's perspective, no matter what he has done, he witnesses the adults in his life go off arguing about who/what is to blame for what he has done, and soon enough what he has done is slipping from the discussion. Read this thread from the start and tell me that is not exactly what has happened. The consequencues/punishment this kid should get for his actions stopped being a focus before the end of page one. We, my friends, are to blame. |
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Post by subdjoe on May 18, 2009 8:08:07 GMT -5
I think some were looking for the reasons... I have a HUGE laundry list of how to help to avoid SOME of these situations, but you all have heard them like a ZILLION times. I doubt this kid will slip off into a quiet corner, well, maybe in a cell. My point is simply that from the kid's perspective, no matter what he has done, he witnesses the adults in his life go off arguing about who/what is to blame for what he has done, and soon enough what he has done is slipping from the discussion. Read this thread from the start and tell me that is not exactly what has happened. The consequencues/punishment this kid should get for his actions stopped being a focus before the end of page one. We, my friends, are to blame. The title of this thread is : "What is wrong with kids?" not "What should be done with this kid?" To me that is a call to discuss how we have raised an amoral generation. Or, a generation with so many amoral people in it. |
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Post by crossride on May 18, 2009 10:35:44 GMT -5
"This kid" was used as a symbol of what's wrong with kids. I'm just continuing use of that symbol. Try it this way: From kids' perspectives, no matter what they have done, they witnesses the adults in their lives go off arguing about who/what is to blame for what they have done, and soon enough what they have done is slipping from the discussion.
Fortunately I have taken responsibility for my own kids so I don't have to worry as much.
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Post by capttankona on May 18, 2009 11:18:26 GMT -5
Oh really? Clinton wasn't the one dropping bombs on them for reasons that turned out to be false. Unless you count Kosovo. We bombed them to give their land to people from another country. |
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