Hey, Nancy, how about a light?

[subdjoe]

Mink, you can't have it both ways. If it were big, the dems majority would not be so slim. It wasn't so much of a vote for the dems or their agenda, but a vote of dissatisfaction with the current administration. Which happens pretty much in any second term.

But wow, for the popularity of congress to plummet over 25% in one month! Pretty big drop. yeah, people are really thrilled with Congress. Those numbers make George look like a rock star in comparison. Now if people will just remember that come november and vote the capons out of office. That is the big Dem. platform, isn't it? Change? Let's vote DiFi out and have a change. Lets get rid of Woolsey too - she hasn't done jack.

[Mink]

Subdjoe, I have emphasized in the past that I will no longer vote for Feinstein since I have found out her hubby is one of the war-mongering contractors.....and she is no longer a supporting factor for our party. As for Woolsey, she isn't my rep, however, I do give her credit for being against the war in Iraq from the start.

It is a "cheap shot" for Republicans to hold Democrats responsible for Congress' s public standing. They hold just as much responsiblility whether there is a recess or not, it doesn't excuse them for the mess we are in!

[subdjoe]

First, I'm still a registered Dem.
Second, it was the Dems who made all sort of promises (remember the first Hundred Hours, or was it days? Or was it weeks?). We havn't seen much in the way of delivery from the dems on those promises.

Third, the GOP members stayed. It was the Speaker and the Pro Tem who called the recess.

[Mink]

Subdjoe, you may be a Democrat, but refuse to admit that although the Dems have achieved a "majority" in Congress, it is not enough to do the job without votes from the Republicans. The numbers are significant in the House, but we lose in the Senate, due to the lack of significant Democrat Senators. (regardless of lame Feinstein)

[bolverk]

Hmmmm, funny we have not heard that tune from you over the previous eight years, until the democrats are in charge. Where was your criticism then?

[bolverk]

Oh, that's right, it was only directed at Bush.

[subdjoe]

Ah, so you admit that the Dems in the Senate are insignificant and not very effective. That is a first step. Now we need to work on your perception of the House.

Also, the difference is only 37 (dems have 53.6% to the GOP 46.4%). That isn't huge. OH, and that supposed big victory in 06? Less than 40% (38.6% I think) of the electorate voted. Lets take those percentages of the House as the breakdown of how the popular vote went. that means that just over a quarter of the electorate bothered to vote for the Dems. And only 21% bothered to vote for the GOP. This was NOT a mandate for the Dems to shove their socialist agenda onto the American people. About all that you can really say is that the electorate is damn sick and tired of BOTH major parties. WE need to vote all the capons out and get in some fresh blood. Preferably people who are not professional politicians.

[bolverk]

Right on, that has earned an exalt from me subdjoe.

[Mink]

Aug 4, 2008 0:13:50 GMT -5 @bolverk said:

Hmmmm, funny we have not heard that tune from you over the previous eight years, until the democrats are in charge. Where was your criticism then?

I was even more vocal with my reps. at that time. It's like they just layed down to get trampled on! My comment here is to point out that although Congress' score is historically low, the blame should be given as a whole since the majority is not that significant.

As for Bush, well, look at what he has done in the last 8 years? Tell me I don't have anything to complain about~

[harpman1]

Other than spending domestically like a ship full of drunken sailors, I have been very pleased not to wake up on any more Tuesday mornings to the sight of bodies hurtling fron burning buildings.

Very pleased indeed. And appreciative.

[bolverk]

Aug 4, 2008 15:26:34 GMT -5 Mink said:

Aug 4, 2008 0:13:50 GMT -5 @bolverk said:

Hmmmm, funny we have not heard that tune from you over the previous eight years, until the democrats are in charge. Where was your criticism then?

I was even more vocal with my reps. at that time. It's like they just layed down to get trampled on! My comment here is to point out that although Congress' score is historically low, the blame should be given as a whole since the majority is not that significant.

As for Bush, well, look at what he has done in the last 8 years? Tell me I don't have anything to complain about~

All I am saying is that I would like to hear an equal level of complaint from you about your representatives here. After all, Congress is as much or more of the problem then the President, after all he is but one man. Remember, we have had countless years of Lynn C. Woolsey, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi. Time they left and we get some fresh ideas.

[bolverk]

Lynn C. Woolsey will be 71 in November, and will have been in Congress for 16 years in January 2009, twice as long as our President.

Barbara L. Boxer will turn 68 eight days after Lynn C. Woolsey's birthday, and will also have served 16 years in the Senate, serving 11 years in the House prior to being elected. That is a collective 27 years. Why? She is a do nothing, in for the retirement package, representative. She must go.

Diane E. G. B. Feinstien is 75, and is going on her 17th year in the Senate, after a failed stint as the Mayor of San Francisco. Her claim to fame there was a failed handgun ban, found unconstitutional on a State Level. Time to retire her as well. She is so far out of touch it is not funny, just like Barbara and Lynn.

Nancy P. D. Pelosi is 68, and is going on her 22nd year in Congress, that is right 22 years and four Presidents. What is her claim to fame? I certainly don't know. Maybe that she has duped the public for so long I suppose. I can't think of anything else.

All four of these, in for the money politicians have us all at each other, blaming Bush when they have all been in for a minimum of four Presidential terms and a maximum of six going on seven. Two of them serving under four Presidents. They have been in long enough to make the changes they desire, but they are just party hacks. They even had congressional majorities under all four Presidents and still got nothing done. This is where our problems lie, not with a single man, whom they claim duped people smart enough to hold onto their office for such a excessive period of time.

Let's start here. That is where we must begin, with our local people. The capons, as our good friend subdjoe often points out. These four are the problem. Congress, not the President, has the following powers:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.